Healthcare in the Netherlands

Healthcare in the Netherlands

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This guide to the Dutch healthcare system explains what you need to know about mandatory Dutch health insurance, visiting a specialist or hospital, and finding Dutch doctors, dentists and pharmacies in the Netherlands.

One of the many great things about living in the Netherlands is the excellent standard of Dutch healthcare, rated as the best in Europe. The Netherlands topped the list of 35 countries in the 2016 Euro Health Consumer Index (the ‘industry standard’ of modern healthcare) for the best healthcare services – ahead of large economies and neighbours such as Switzerland (2), Norway (3), Belgium (4), Germany (7) and the UK (14) – and is the only country to consistently place within the top three spots since 2005. According to the report, the Netherlands excels in relatively every healthcare criterion with perhaps only waiting time being something they could slightly improve, although accessibility increased after the country opened 160 primary care centres, open 24 hours per day, 7 days per week.

In terms of costs, the Dutch statistics office reported in 2017 that Dutch residents spent an annual average of EUR 700 on Dutch healthcare in 2015, in addition to their yearly Dutch health insurance costs of around EUR 1,200. The extra costs were mainly due to the excess charge (the threshold which residents must pay before Dutch health insurance applies), dentist fees (which are not covered) and medicine (of which residents now pay an average of 34 percent towards the cost).

The Netherlands spends more than 10 percent of GDP on health, among the highest in the EU and one of the few countries to spend more than EUR 4.0 thousand per inhabitant. Plus almost all Dutch doctors speak excellent English, making healthcare in the Netherlands very accessible to foreigners. In most cases, however, some form of health insurance is mandatory to stay in the Netherlands, even temporarily, and required to access Dutch healthcare services.

In this guide, International health insurer Bupa Global explains the Dutch healthcare system and everything you need to know about accessing healthcare in the Netherlands:

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Health insurance in the Netherlands is mandatory

Healthcare in the Netherlands is covered by four statutory forms of insurance:

  • Zorgverzekeringswet (Zvw) – often called ‘basic insurance’, covers common medical care.
  • Wet langdurige zorg (Wlz) – covers long-term nursing and care.
  • Wet maatschappelijke ondersteuning (Wmo) – covers every day support services offered by the government, such as household help, cleaning and cooking for those who need additional care.
  • Jeugdwet – covers short and long-term medical care for youth under 18 years old.

While Dutch residents and employees are automatically insured by the government for long-term nursing and care (as covered by the Wlz), everyone has to take out their own basic healthcare insurance (basisverzekering) except in a few situations.

Those under 18 do not necessarily have to take out their own health insurance in the Netherlands. They can be covered under their parents’ health insurance. This, however, does not happen automatically. Parents have to inform their insurer that they want to assign their children to their Dutch health insurance. If you don’t take out insurance, you risk a fine.

Those who wish to apply for support services (under Wmo) will first be assessed by the government to see what services family or friends can provide, before any services are assigned to the local municipality.

You can also find more information in Expatica's guide to Dutch health insurance, including how to find and choose the right Dutch insurance provider and a health insurance comparison tool.

Dutch health insurance for temporary visitors

If you are staying in the Netherlands for less than a year, your stay is usually classed as temporary and you don’t need to take out the compulsory Dutch health insurance but you will need health insurance of some kind. If you already have an international health insurance, contact the National Health Care Institute (Zorginstituut Nederland) at 020 797 8555 to see if it will be accepted – and what healthcare services it will cover – in the Netherlands.

If you hold the European Union Health Insurance Card (EHIC) you will be covered while your stay is temporary (as decided by the insurer in your home country). If your stay is not temporary or as soon as you have a residence permit, you must take out a Dutch healthcare insurance policy.

Dutch health insurance for students

Students from the European Union (EU), European Economic Area (EEA – EU plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway) and Switzerland are exempt from paying health insurance – except if they are working, even part-time or as part of a paid internship. Non-working students will be given an European Union Health Insurance Card (EHIC) or an international declaration form instead.

Students from outside the EU need insurance like everyone else. Sometimes colleges and companies have a contract with a health insurer so that students and employees can enjoy discounted premiums.

Read a full guide to health insurance for students in the Netherlands and follow this flowchart by Euraxess to determine if you need Dutch health insurance depending on your personal circumstances.

Dutch health insurance companies

There is a variety of Dutch health insurance companies in the Netherlands (around 60), many with services in English. Online websites, such as and, can help you to compare policies and costs from different insurers.

You can find a list of Dutch health insurance companies, with some of the main ones including:

If you're looking for global health insurance, there are also many international insurance companies operating in the Netherlands, including:

  • AXA PPP International
  • BUPA Global
  • Cigna
  • Expatcare
  • William Russell

You can compare expat health insurance coverage using Expatica's tool. Some websites offer additional health insurance services, for example, Independer offers to send an annual alert when new premiums are announced as a reminder to check and amend your premium in time, if desired.

Dutch health insurance companies

What does Dutch health insurance cover?

The basic Dutch insurance package covers all costs for the most common medical care. The Dutch government decides yearly what is included in the basisverekering.

The 2017 basic health coverage in the Netherlands includes the following:

  • GP consultations
  • Treatments from specialists and hospital care
  • Certain mental health care
  • Medication
  • Dental care and physiotherapy up to 18 years
  • Care from certain therapists, such as speech therapists
  • Dietary advice
  • Basic mental health services
  • Stop-smoking programs
  • Maternity care and midwives.

For a complete list of healthcare services included, visit the government’s website here.

You will need extra insurance if you want coverage for extensive dental treatments, physiotherapy or anything else the government considers to be your own responsibility, and it is in these additional areas that companies compete. It is possible to purchase the additional coverage (aanvullende pakket) from a different insurer than your basic insurer. This may make things more complicated when processing bills, but it can sometimes lower your overall costs, or allow you to purchase additional coverage tailored for the needs of international persons residing in the Netherlands.

For maternity care, it is worthwhile to check what your Dutch health insurance will cover – there are generally a range of helpful services for mothers-to-be. For information about pregnancy and birth in the Netherlands, see our guide to having a baby in the Netherlands.

How much does Dutch healthcare cost?

Your employer will pay 6.75 percent of your salary for you for the Zvw component, and deduct 9.65 percent from your pay for the Wlz part. The self-employed pay slightly less Zvw, at 5.65 percent.

In addition, you will generally have to pay monthly contributions to your health insurer, which in 2017 amount to around EUR 109 per month or EUR 1,300 per year (it varies slightly from insurer to insurer). Online websites help you to compare general health insurance packages and costs from different insurers.
The insurance policy will also have an ‘excess’ (eigen risico). This means that you have to pay the first EUR 385 (in 2017) of some treatments. You don’t pay the excess on services supplied by GPs, obstetric and post-natal care: these are completely free.

Help with costs: healthcare subsidies in the Netherlands

You may be able to get help towards the cost of your insurance premiums in the form of a ‘health allowance’ (zorgtoeslag) by applying to the Dutch Tax Administration (Belastingdienst). To be eligible, you must be 18 years or older, have a valid residence permit and be paying Dutch health insurance. You also need to earn less than EUR 27,857/year as a single person or EUR 35,116/year as a couple, and have assets worth less than EUR 107,752 (single) or EUR 132,752 (partners); these levels are revised every year. The amount of benefit you get depends on your income.

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Once you’re insured

You need to present your ID and a health insurance chip card when you use any of the healthcare services in the Netherlands. Depending on whether your insurer has a contract with the particular provider (check your policy), you can pay at the time and be reimbursed, pass the bill onto your insurer, or do nothing as the health service provider and insurer will deal with the bill between themselves.

In addition, as the Netherlands is part of an EU-wide (and Swiss) healthcare scheme, your insurance company will give you a European Union Health Insurance Card (EHIC), which means that if you need medical treatment while you are elsewhere in the EU you don’t have to pay for it – the insurance company will. Remember to take the card with you when you travel within the EU or Switzerland.

Going to the doctor in the Netherlands

The huisarts (GPs) are responsible for gathering all your medical records and are the gatekeepers to all the other types of medical treatment, so they are the first point of contact when you have a health problem (unless it’s an emergency, of course). They can deal with routine health issues, perform standard gynaecological and paediatric examinations, and refer you onto other services, including hospitals, specialists, home midwifery and physiotherapy.

Find and register with a doctor

First you will need to register with a huisarts, preferably one nearby. Almost all of them will speak English. Not all practices will be taking on new patients, however, or they may have long waiting lists. As such, it's worthwhile to register before you become ill. You can make an appointment to meet the doctor before registering, to assess their suitability for your needs.

You can find a list of local doctors by checking:

  • the gemeentegids (community guide) available at the town hall;
  • the Yellow Pages of the phone book under ‘Artsen – huisartsen’;
  • via the Centrale Doktersdienst helpline on 020 592 3434;
  • by personal recommendation – ask friends, family or even post a thread on Expatica's forum.
  • Online sites listing doctors in the Netherlands (Dutch language website).

Appointments: What to expect

You normally have to make an appointment in advance and may have to wait a few days to get a slot. Appointments often run late, so expect to wait, and they only last around 15 minutes, so be succinct when you’re in front of the doctor. Many doctors have daily first-come, first-served sessions (inloop spreekuur) for short phone or drop-in consultations. These days, it’s rare for doctors to make house calls.

Dutch healthcare is generally non-interventionist in nature, so don’t expect to leave the consultation with a prescription. Dutch doctors tend not to hand out antibiotics or anti-depressants lightly. It can be important to be clear and communicate what you want; read how to talk to Dutch doctors so they will listen.

You might also see the doctor’s assistant (for blood pressure readings, urine testing, injections) or practice nurse (for monitoring chronic conditions like asthma or diabetes).

There are three possible payment options, so check your insurance policy for your payment conditions: You may have to pay the doctor at the time and use the receipt to reclaim the money from your insurer; the doctor may send you an invoice for you to pass onto the insurance company; or the doctor will invoice your insurer direct.

There is 24-hour healthcare coverage in the Netherlands; out of hours you’ll usually hear a recorded message on the doctor's answering machine telling you how to contact on-call medical services. Telephone messages are usually in Dutch, so it helps to get familiar with Dutch numbers early on. Alternatively, you can call 020 592 3434 for medical advice from a central doctor’s service (Centrale Doktersdienst) for the closest doctor on-call.

Going to see a specialist in the Netherlands

You can’t go directly to a specialist for treatment; you have to be referred by a huisarts. Most specialists work within a hospital setting – as ‘contractors’ instead of employees – rather than a specialist clinic, and waiting lists can be long.

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Hospitals in the Netherlands

There are lots of excellent hospitals in the Netherlands with high standards of care all over the country. Each hospital (ziekenhuis) used to offer a range of specialisms but they are becoming more specialised.

There are different types of hospital. Those attached to universities and carrying out medical research unsurprisingly have the most advanced medical equipment and treatments, and can offer the most specialised care. Teaching hospitals, training medics and nurses also offer some specialised treatments. General hospitals deal with more routine conditions.

For information on hospital locations, see Expatica's listing of hospitals in the Netherlands.

Going to the hospital in the Netherlands

Unless it’s an emergency, you will need a referral letter from our GP. You will be asked to provide details about your medical history and lifestyle, and be registered on the hospital database.

You’ll be given a registration card (ponsplaatje) which you’ll have to show each time you visit – it’s a means of bringing up your details and passing on bills to your insurance company. 

Hospital admission

If you are admitted as an in-patient – and unless it’s an emergency, this could take months from your initial appointment – you may find yourself in a shared room or ward of up to six beds (mixed sex). You’ll probably have a TV and phone line but there will be a charge. Bring your own clothes and toiletries. Strictly enforced visiting hours vary from hospital to hospital. If you prefer access to private rooms, you may consider taking out private insurance.

Pharmacies: drogist and apotheek

A drogist sells non-prescription medications, toiletries, cosmetics and baby essentials; an apotheek sells prescription-only drugs as well as over-the-counter meds, vitamins, baby items, homeopathic products and medical equipment for home use, and can also advise on medications and minor ailments. 

There will always be an apotheek open 24 hours somewhere in the area. To find the closest out-of-hours pharmacy, you can:

  • check the list displayed in the pharmacy window;
  • call 020 694 8709;
  • look under ‘medische diensten’ (medical assistance) in one of the free local newspapers;
  • visit this online list of pharmacies (in Dutch) – just click on zoek een apotheek and enter your postcode to find the nearest one.

If you have a consultation with a huisarts (GP), you can sometimes collect your medicine right away from the apotheek as they’re often connected electronically. If the pharmacy has a contract with your insurer you won’t have to pay for your prescription at the time; if they do not, you’ll have to pay and claim it back. Your insurance company may also specify which types or brands are covered by your policy, and which are not. If your medicine is not covered, it can be worth to check if a cheaper generic brand is available.

In some cases, medications that can be bought over the counter back home may require a prescription in the Netherlands, plus medicines in the Netherlands might not be the same as you’re used to back home. If you’re taking medication prescribed in another country, bring it to your consultation to show the pharmacist or doctor first.

Visiting the dentist

You need to register with a tandarts (dentist). You can find one in the same way as you would find a doctor (through the community guide, Yellow Pages or a personal recommendation) – there are more than 9,000 of them. Traditionally, Dutch dentists have worked in single-dentist practices (and around 60 percent still do) but the developing trend is for dentists to work together in group practices.

Once registered with a dentist, you will usually be invited for check-ups every six months. Your dentist may delegate certain routine tasks to dental hygienists, dental assistants and prevention assistants, and refer onwards if necessary to specialised orthodontists and oral surgeons, who are usually based in hospitals.

To find a dentist out of hours, call the surgery and a voice mail will direct you to an emergency service.

You may have to take out additional insurance to cover the cost of dental treatment (check what your policy offers); under 18s are automatically covered under the basic Dutch health insurance package. Read more about dental care in the Netherlands.

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Alternative treatments and therapies

Homeopathy, acupuncture, chiropractic, osteopathy, traditional Chinese medicine and other complementary therapies are widely used. The different types of therapy are grouped together in associations and you’ll find a list of regulated practitioners (in Dutch only) at the Association of Alternative Medicine.

Dutch health insurers now cover many alternative therapies, so check what different insurers offer if you require alternate therapies or treatments.

Mental health

There are lots of good English-speaking counselors, psychologists, psychiatrists and alternative practitioners to help with mental health issues in the Netherlands. However, costs vary and not all will be covered by your health insurance.

What the basic Dutch insurance covers are psychiatric treatments, psychological care and the first three years of residence in a mental health institution.

In an emergency

Go to the spoedeisende hulp or eerste hulp bij ongelukken (EHBO) department of your local hospital for medical emergencies or first aid.

Call 112 for urgent medical help if you think that a person’s life may be at risk. The operator will answer in Dutch but will be fluent in several languages, including English. Explain what has happened and an operator will pass you onto the correct service: ambulance, fire and police all use the same number. Don’t hang up – although your number will appear on the operator’s screen so if you are cut off, the operator can call you back. The 112 number is toll-free.

If you have a speech or hearing problem, call 0800 8112 and you can type a message to the emergency call centre. You should write where you are, where the help is needed and the service you need.

Call 020 694 8709 for pharmacies open outside normal working hours. You can also call 020 592 3434 for urgent medical advice from a central doctor’s service.

Make sure you note down this list of emergency numbers for expats in the Netherlands.

Useful Dutch medical phrases

Find more phrases in our guide to Dutch medical terms.

  • I have an emergency: Ik heb een noodgeval
  • Call an ambulance: Bel een ambulance
  • Call a doctor: Haal een dokter
  • I am ill: Ik ben ziek
  • I feel unwell: Ik voel me niet lekker
  • I have a headache/stomachache: Ik heb hoofdpijn/buikpijn
  • I have an itch: Ik heb jeuk
  • I feel dizzy: Ik ben duizelig
  • I need a doctor: Ik heb een dokter nodig
  • I am allergic to…: Ik ben allergisch voor
  • Help!: Help!

More information

For general details on the Dutch healthcare system, the Health Insurance Information Centre has information in English, as does the Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport.

You can also visit Expatica's healthcare channel for more information about Dutch healthcare services and insurance cover and read about how to decide between local and expat health insurances.


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Expatica / Updated by Bupa Global

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43 Comments To This Article

  • Annoyed posted:

    on 24th May 2016, 14:43:07 - Reply

    I feel for everyone posting here about the terrible quality of health care they've received here. I had read how bad it was prior to moving here four months ago and I thought at the time... maybe it's not as bad as they say. But the expats were right. I would be hard pressed to be any more disgusted in not only the doctors but the chemists as well who just love to try and peddle ridiculous things like Bach flower remedies and other such hippy nonsense. I've been a nurse for 21 years and everything I've personally witnessed here regarding the health system has me seeing red. Way too much uncessary suffering, it boggles the mind. It's a two and half hour drive to get to a german doctor but it's more than worth the hassle just to get professional treatment. To be honest my entire experience so far in the Netherlands has been near-awful, I'm so very disappointed and can't wait to leave.
  • Joana posted:

    on 17th May 2016, 19:51:53 - Reply

    Neither the government or a basic premium cover labor or post labor costs. House birth without anaesthetics is free, and performed by the midwife. The costs of giving birth in a hospital, are 600 eur, excl. anaesthetics and assuming it's a normal birth. In less than 24 hours you're supposed to be out of the hospital, and again, Kraamzorg is only free if you're paying for a higher basic health insurance premium, otherwise is 4,20 eur/hour, with a minimum service of 180 eur.

    As a woman, I feel appalled and deeply disrespected for the lack of support and medical care in one of the founding countries of the EU.
  • Victim posted:

    on 17th March 2016, 10:59:24 - Reply

    As a victim of a Dutch Health care system, I realized how, actually, this system has the highest ratings in Europe. The system protects by EVERY MEAN the patients who are suffering the consequences of medical malpractice to enter into any kind of ACNOWLEDGMENT of the medical mistake. In the National Health Inspectorate (Het Landelijk Meldpunt Zorg) will not react on fraudelent acts of doctors, even if there has been a violation of the law, they advise you to contact the police. The lawyers will reject your case as "hopless", and you are left to yourself. I wonder, how can police uderstand that the doctor prescribed an illegal overdose of a poison to your child? I also wonder if there are elements of faschism here... Good luck Dutch expats, and take good care
  • Frederic posted:

    on 28th January 2016, 05:54:22 - Reply

    All foreigners should be aware about the fact that they will be taken for a ride if they're not locally insured. In case of treatment or hospitalization you may receive bills that just have a code number and an amount like 5.000 Euros. Trying to get details for your own insurance back home will be impossible so you may not be reimbursed. The Dutch Healthcare Authority is the one that centralizes all bills for most hospitals and fr every task there is a code and a price. If that code is similar in price to "burn treatment" you bill may stipulate "burn treatment even if your treatment was for something totally different. Now, try to explain that to your insurance in France for example.

    It also happens that your treatment is followed up by physiotherapy. If you follow 3 sessions they can be invoiced as 20 sessions "beause you were supposed to come 20 times". You live overseas and have to go back home? They force you to pay 20 sessions anyway. In my case that was 1800 Euro. I fought for months to get that finally reduced to 400. The Dutch "zorgverzekeraar" apparently accepts all these outrageous prices and invoices without details. But as a tourist or foreign visitor Holland is an absolute ripoff. There are certain establishments that charge "Instap tarief" (or step-inn tariffs) that can be as high as 350 Euros just to open a file for you where the treatment may be only 150.

    The Dutch are happy and proud about their healthcare system but it is very inefficient and totally overpriced, even more so for foreigners without local insurance.
  • Anonymous posted:

    on 25th January 2016, 12:09:05 - Reply

    Well as a Dutch citizen I do recognize some of the comments written here, but I'm also thinking in terms of how stuff is phrased. I realize it should never be like this, but if I go to the GP with a vague description of what I feel and leave the solution completely open for interpretation, I will indeed be sent home with the advise to rest. However, if I phrase the complaint in a concise manner, mention what I want, and indicate that my work/schooling is affected and my quality of life is decreased, they will always oblige. QoL and affected work/school performance are key points. I used to have severe acne, and until I mentioned that I wanted to go to a dermatologist they didn't really prescribe me anything serious. Nowadays I just go to a GP to ask for a referral :), I never ask the GP to help me wtih an illness because they just weren't trained to do anything serious.

    The issue of over-specialization isn't bad by itself, but due to long waiting lists it can be a real problem if you have to hop between specialists and wait weeks or months in between. In addition, some hospitals have long waiting lists due to an increasingly older population, especially for non-lifesaving procedures. A procedure such as strabismus surgery can easily have a waiting period of 1 year. However, you're free to go to another hospital which has a shorter list.
  • magzi posted:

    on 3rd January 2016, 16:59:49 - Reply

    Maybe the doctors care less for expats and feel less responsabillity.Would be great if more Dutch people left their comments and opinions.I don't know.
  • Johanna posted:

    on 11th November 2015, 22:11:15 - Reply

    Wow. So many hatefull messages about the Dutch healthcare system here. I'm born and raised here and I never had to wait long for meds, treatments, tests or surgery. The only thing I don't like is paying up medical advice when I get my meds at the pharmacy. But that's it. Never had any complaints. I had surgery 4 times, and everything was well taken care of.

  • KarenGrigoryan posted:

    on 17th October 2015, 23:43:05 - Reply

    I arrived in Amsterdam with my wife as expat from Moscow. Netherlands has the most horrible healthcare system, quality and whatever, the only difference between Netherlands and Somalia in Healthcare is fancyness of the staff and the access to top notch medical devices and drugs. Also the designs of hospital and huisarts interiors, I mean literally interiors relating to furniture, - are pretty good. Dutch are really impressive in architecture and renovating aslphalt on streets in time.

    Some doctors are even polite but not all of them, 99 percent will put a fake smile and interrupt you with fake "yes"-es and prescribe you 10 000 000 drugs before even doing a test to verify what they are actually trying to heal. "Defining diagnonsis? preventive medicine? No didn't heard!"

    After arrival I got some allergy reaction to something, went to huisartsenpost and they prescribed me a specific anti-histamine, I took it and got a severe allergic attack, so I called emergency and they took me to hispital, treated me with huge doses of prednisolone and instead of doing an allergy test they made an appointment for a allergologist one month later. So I had to live with the allergy the whole month somehow without knowing anything, meantime they prescribed me another antihistamine blindly, I took it again and got the second attack, -> went to hospital again, again got huge doses of prednisolone, when asked them about allergy test, they told me they cannot do anything and I have to wait my appointment at allergologist, so they just let me out and prescribed me to consume prednisolone until I get to the doctor, which I never did because prednisolone is a torturous drug, so I tried to keep myself up with some anti allergy diets. BTW I asked them about diets and none of them told me about it, even more, all of them knew nothing about keeping diet when having allergy, which is freaking ridiculous, in Moscow after a little allergy first things first any doctor will tell you to stick to hypoallergen diet immediately, and will make the 7-component-allergy test for drugs just in place rightaway without any appointments, just to find out immediate reactions.

    So when the appointment date came, I came to allergologist, who literally had only 10 minutes for me, and when I was trying to describe the situation, she was in a very rude manner trying to shut me up, and to sum up what she said was "we don't know what's that you need to make an appointment for allergy test, and meanwhile take this one antihistamine", I said ok and went to make an appointment at reception, and guess what, it was June month, the assistant told me that the closest date of allergy test is 9th of NOVEMBER. I had no choice so I accepted.

    Meanwhile I took this one antihistamine prescribed by allergologist and obviously got my 3rd allergy attack, the same things repeated, a horrible night in hospital etc. I was in a deep stress of not understanding where am I and who are these people around wearing clothes and representing profession that they have no clue about.

    All this was crazy so I decided to take some initiative and asked the head doctor that was repeteadly throught all these 3 attacks of allergy coming to see me in my box in hospital, maybe they could suggest to inspect my stomach, maybe there is some provocative there that causes allergy and stuff, or maybe they will test my liver and stuff, so I (THE PATIENT) was suggesting instead of them, and they were so surprised like 0_0 why would one do that. So freaking narrow minded, I haven't seen things like that, I couldn't even pretend that this can happen. Even in Moscow, where the doctors can lie and mess you up with expensive medicine, or with mistreat due to lack of expertise, but still there is at least some choice, you can go to whoever you want whenever you want and if you pay a bit more you will find some exceptional treatment... And here you are doomed.

    So making a long story short it's already October now, I have 1 month left to wait until this freaking allergy test to finally have a chance to find out some provocatives, but still I got no decent treatment. We consult with moscow doctors and I keep allergy diet by their guidance, so I am doing pretty ok for now, but the diet is crazy I literally don't eat merely anything :)) But whenever I take some allergen I got a reaction immediately. So during these 5 horrable months I have collected so many memories and details in my mind about craziily horrible weirdnesses of local medicine that I could really write a whole book on that.

    Dutch people are very welcoming on the streets, they smile and they are polite especially out of Amsterdam, but that's it DONE. When things come to real social service everything is literally messed up, capitalism is the basis of menthality here, it's so natural to Dutch people that I am so cared, and I can't wait the moment when all my debts are paid here so I can evetually escape this place, and forget this as a silly mistake.

    So general advice, if you have a family, and you want to be in social security just skip this country this isn't worth it, all these fancy facades of the buildings, all these in-time arriving transports, all these clean streets and beautiful nature, all these fashion brand-stores and canals, they are NOT WORTH the health and security risk of the members of your family, and the risk is soooo high and increases exponentially whenever you get involved ANYhow with the medical system, even some shitty huisarts, which is a whole other messed up disappointment, can ruin your the lives of the ones you love and care.

  • Karin posted:

    on 1st September 2015, 20:34:36 - Reply

    yeah, but you have to be able to think out of the box to combine all your knowledge and find a solution according to the (combined) complaints and Dutch doctors can think only from A to B. C is too far away. I would write my stories, too, but it would take hours.
  • Karen posted:

    on 30th August 2015, 10:55:45 - Reply

    But ALL specialists qualify first as an "ordinary" doctor, and also spend their first year in a hospital, often in the emergency dept.
    So they know as much as a general practioner BEFORE they become specialist in their chosen field !

  • Filipa posted:

    on 29th January 2015, 13:26:29 - Reply

    Hello, I just moved in here and my disappointment was enormous when i read all your experiences. I moved here from UK and I was just so happy about the fact that I am back to a normal European Healtcare. What a disappointment that is worse than in Scotland where I was. I spoke with a friend here and she told me the best thing to do is to book an appointment with a doctor specialist/gyneco in Germany or Belgium and avoid to go to doctors here if you don't want to get your liver poisoned by paracetamol. What a shame that the insurance is mandatory, otherwise i wouldnt even have taken it...specially a private one.
  • jschucroft posted:

    on 6th March 2015, 11:14:13 - Reply

    Dutch health care is actually the worst I have seen after living in four countries. Two of which are third world countries and by far much better. I feel there is too much focus on cutting costs and therefore more of a reactive approach than proactive and preventive. I wanted a gynecological check up (pap smear) but was told I need to wait for an invitation letter from the government and this is sent once in 5 years (unless of course you have a problem). My mother died of breast cancer and I wanted a mammogram done to ease my mind. This too was rejected unless I found a lump. A year later I did find a lump in my breast but was told by my GP to wait a month to see if it will go away. Only after a month did she give me a referral to the hospital to have it checked.
    My son was born at Bronovo last year and a few hours after giving birth I was literally kicked out despite not being able to walk. I had severe pelvic pain during most part of my pregnancy. The gynecologists I saw at Bronovo brushed it off explaining it is because of the growing belly and the baby inside. After giving birth it got much worse. I feel having to get in and out of my car a few hours after giving birth might have contributed in making it worse. At my 6 week post delivery check up the resident doctor that delivered my son at Bronovo had no idea why I still found it difficult to walk. He advised I see my GP who then explained that I had pelvic pain and I had to do physiotherapy. It has been 12 months and I am still going for physiotherapy.

    Last week I had a new medical issue with a infected, inflamed and painful cyst very near my breast tissue. My GP is being very stubborn about a referral to a specialist. I was told to ice it (didn't work) then antibiotics for a week (didn't work),antibiotics for 5 more days (still not that effective). I have been in to the doctor's office three times last week and two times this week. This wait and see approach is very stressful.

    I am against over medication but when there is a problem that needs medical attention the system here sucks.

  • SoNotTrue posted:

    on 24th February 2015, 11:19:56 - Reply

    Actually, the stock response of doctors is even worse, more on the lines of "Go home and rest", which of course translates to "Go home and wait 2-3 weeks to see if you survive, don't bother us unless you have one foot in the grave"... Scary.
  • NotTrue posted:

    on 9th January 2015, 13:39:18 - Reply

    Even the first lines of this article are difficult to swallow. Dutch healthcare is far from the best in Europe (unless rated by the Dutch themselves I suppose). It is a monetised, for-profit industry controlled by private insurance providers and presided over by incompetant doctors whose stock response is 'go home and take an aspirin'. The health system in this country is a joke, the cherry on the cake being that one is legally obliged to pay a minimum of one hundred euros per month to a for-profit insurance provider for the pleasure of being part of it. For a 'socially concerned' country, it is a disgrace. Just don't ask the Dutch if they agree.
  • pim posted:

    on 27th October 2014, 21:42:58 - Reply

    [url=]Spoed Tandarts[/url] is a dutch website for healthcare. You can read there dutch dentist news.
  • parker karen posted:

    on 19th September 2014, 03:38:05 - Reply

    Am so happy to share my experience and testimony here about my happy family which suddenly got broken. am Parker Karen from USA i had a nice family; i was married for 6 years to my husband and all of a sudden, another woman came into the picture the man that used to love me before started picking quarrels with me he was so abusive that when i try to tell him the truth about how i feel and what he is doing is not right for the family, he gets very angry and hits me with any thing he sees around him. but i still loved him with all my heart despite all he has done to me and i wanted him back at all cost. then he filled for a divorce my whole life was tearing apart and i didn't know what to do ...... he moved out of the house and abandoned me and the kids. so a very close friend of mine told me about trying a love spell means to get my husband back she also use dr.fara love spell to get back his divorce husband. And told me they are very much happy with there relationship. and she introduced me to the spell first i was surprised and scared so i decided to give it a try reluctantly.......although i didn't believe in all those things, then when he did the special prayers, i was so surprised, after two days my husband came back and was pleading for my forgiveness, he had realized his mistakes, i just couldn't believe it, anyway we are back together now and we are now one big happy family we use to be. his contact address his spells is for a better life again. tel: 2348071398555.
  • Janka posted:

    on 4th August 2014, 20:49:17 - Reply

    I do not want to be too clever but poetical to say The care about other people extend the points of of base of support not internally but externally . It give people time not to think about inside . And at that free time organism use for work automatically for the better.
    With kind regard for Dutch people Jnka .
    That's all .
  • Janka posted:

    on 4th August 2014, 06:35:58 - Reply

    The root of the all illness lie in social distortion .The doctors treat only consequence of wrong nutrition and behavior and way of life . They are to some extent magicians to fool people to have works . Of cause consequence must have some one treatment. But root of the problem live in advertising wrong food advertising wrong life . And at last to be ,mainly worry about himself
    not about people beside . This is a root of the problem of the West society . Self defence or selfishness or egoism turn to be the weakest points for suffering to find way .Of course for such people my letters can be spam if it is about it .
  • Janka posted:

    on 3rd August 2014, 22:28:30 - Reply

    Lisa when i feel bad I drink clean water and eat nothing because in Latvia it can be easily . Come to Latvia and then come back to compare . When baby feel bad give him nothing to eat it is law a natural magnet to life . Maybe it can help . Sorry if not . With kind regard Janka .
  • Kate posted:

    on 19th June 2014, 05:53:51 - Reply

    Deedee my mother is on vacation in the NL and is having emergency surgery-same ankle situation that you had. Please e-mail me if you have any idea of what kind of hospital bill she will be hit with. She had no travelers insurance
  • Karen posted:

    on 2nd June 2014, 10:38:56 - Reply

    Oh I missed it. Wait for paper work next to my bed for an HOUR AND A HALF! I gave birth at about 11.30. Bed stripped at 1.30. I had to wait there till about 3pm with no bed! Almost sliding out of my chair as I had torn badly and lost blood and a hot day with no air conditioning.
  • Karen posted:

    on 2nd June 2014, 10:36:19 - Reply

    Actually, even having a baby here I nearly passed out in the shower. They made me have a shower 2 hours after giving birth. And when I got back from the shower they had stripped all the bedding away. I felt totally ill in a hospital with no air conditioning (Elizabeth in Amersfoort). I had been to the information evening and I had asked if there were people on hand to show me how to breast feed and they assured me that yes there were. However they were *too busy* to show me how to breast feed. They took my lunch away without asking and the canteen only had fizzy drinks and chocolate bars. No real food. I had to sit in a chair next to my bed with sheets ripped off by nurse and wait for the paper work!
    My medical experiences here in 10 years have been 80% bad. The good 20% has been the care they took while pregnant. If I wanted anything checked they did not hesitate
  • Karen posted:

    on 2nd June 2014, 10:30:12 - Reply

    I find in general GPs to be of a very poor standard here. Missing obvious signs of things (e.g. swollen thyroid when complaining of being extremely tired and putting on a lot of weight post birth, was hypothyroisism and the doctor totally missed it. My mother spotted it in 30 mins, an NZ ex nurse).
    Apathetic and not very proactive. I finally found an excellent doctor here after 10 years.
    I get frustrated when I hear people rating the system here so highly as compaired to my home country I find the system really lacking.
    I have so many examples. I made a complaint at the OLVG which they took seriously. I had my tonsils out last year. They told me not to have lunch. Dinner they gave chilli concarn which the nurse said it was not a good idea and tried to order an appropriate meal, but it was not possible. At breakfast time they refused to give me breakfast as I was to be discharged in the morning and after waiting since 6am for food and because they arrived after 8am I was refused food. Since I was nil by mouth the night before surgery it was about 36 hours since I had last eaten. I was in tears.
    A went to a doctor complaining about pains once, which was brushed off and then 4 hours later I can collapsed in Amersfoort with kidney stones and an ambulance had to be called.
    A girlfriend of mine was admitted after coming off her bike and they tried to discharge her even though their was blood in her urine and she was in sever pain. Turns out after they discharged her her pancrious was split in two and they had missed it. She had to be rushed into emergency surgery a week later. She was left like that for a week! With internal bleeding.
    The list goes on.
    I have found that if you are pregnant they are excellent. As an adult good luck surviving the system here!
  • Vanda Faria posted:

    on 27th May 2014, 07:21:52 - Reply

    Amazing what I read here but at the same time I'm happy to find I'm not the only one thinking that the best health care in Europe is nothing but an "arrogant image of Holland". After a spontaneous abortion I'm still dealing with some bad consequences of it and, in fact, Paracetamol seems always to be the solution for everything. Incredible was having the doctor telling me: in case you'll have a combination of 3 symptoms: fever, vomiting and pain on your belly call us immediately!" I mean if theres a big risk of this to happen shouldn't you as a responsible doctor do something immediately?? Now I got an infection, getting antibiotics and paying from my own pocket!! They don't give a damn to people as long as " AVOIDING costs MEANS more profits for them.
    I'm really ***** off!!!
  • Gabriel Heerdt posted:

    on 27th April 2014, 22:02:30 - Reply

    Hi. I'm studying in Eindhoven and I need to do some blood tests because I came from Brazil making a health treatment. I have a medical report from Brazil. I need to go to a doctor or I can direct do my tests? Where can I do this tests? Thank you.

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  • g.voigt douglas posted:

    on 14th April 2014, 03:09:43 - Reply

    deteriorate or become rationed. Amazing advances are made in medicine science without education that would not be possible and the health and wellbeing of human beings from the cradle to the grave is paramount in importance to humanity.
  • g.voigt douglas posted:

    on 14th April 2014, 02:58:21 - Reply

    In 1968 I spent at least seven months in zuiderziekenhuis rotterdam as a patient, almost an entire pregnancy I eventually gave birth to a healthy son surrounded by all the amazing and caring doctors and nursing team who had cared for me throughout a seriously threatened pregnancy at the time I was unaware but years later was diagnosed with a rare collagen disease Ehlers Danlos Syndrome in retrospect the reason for my difficulties during the necessary hospital stay. I have to say I have nothing but praise for my experience of netherlands healthcare so am amazed and concerned as to the comments I have just readand find it hard to believe that healthcare has deteriorated so much as is indicated over the past 46years. II have lived in Canada and England. I am a defender of the nhs and do hope that plans to destroy and privatise the uks health service will be prevented for surely in any civilised society and countries which consider themselves advanced peoples health should along with education be not for profit and available to all. Not rationed and allowed to
  • sue posted:

    on 2nd April 2014, 04:16:31 - Reply

    I spent 14 years in the Netherlands and complained about the lack of service and quality of care only to return to Canada where I could die before getting in to even see a specialist. A routine procedure in the Netherlands that took one doctor visit and one specialist visit that involved a scan took me three weeks. I had to have this repeated (normal for this type of problem), took me 2 doctor visits, 2 specialist visits, 2 scans, one xray and almost 6 months. I actually miss the quality of medical care in the Netherlands.
  • Deedee posted:

    on 5th January 2014, 14:04:28 - Reply

    I read all your posts here and it is really sad. My story comes with an ankle surgery after I broke my bones leading to 3 fractures, torn ligament and unstable ankle. They fixed it with a plate and some screws in both of my bones and the irony is that in 2 weeks after the surgery they removed my cast, a fact that unexpectedly happened. And trust me, I have read everywhere in the medicine literature (though I am not a doctor) about the ankle surgery rehabilitation and that the cast should imobilise the foot for 6 weeks per total after surgery. I looked everywhere for a case like mine (only 2 weeks with the cast after surgery) cause I couldn't believe my eyes and my ears. At first, I thought maybe I was having a very good recovery of my bone according to what they said as well, but I kept on researching and noone got his foot out of the cast in 2 weeks post-op. I am amazed what happens here and at the moment I am waiting what is gonna happen at the next check-up and if they will send me to physiotherapy or just ridiculously saying that I have to start walking by myself. That would be impressive to hear!
  • Mel posted:

    on 18th December 2013, 15:13:34 - Reply

    I have lived in 5 countries and this is by far the worst in the medical area. Recently our daughter need her appendix removed. We took her to the hospital and they only did a blood test and sent us home. We returned the next day and they tried to send us home again. We insisted they do a proper scan. They did not want too but we demanded one. Once a scan was done they sent her to surgury but we had to wait 16 hours. By the time they did the surgury the appendix was so inflamed she had to stay 4 extra days in the hospital. So their attemp to save money by dening us the scan intially resulted in a 5 day hospital stay rather than the traditional one.
  • Franc posted:

    on 30th September 2013, 08:28:46 - Reply

    Anna please get your fact straight
    Unfortunately i can only find a ducth article.
    But the consumentebond talks about 1950 people who die, not 100.000
    40.000 have some form of damage due to errors.

    Looking at these surveys
    the dutch seem to score similar to other countries.
  • Adam posted:

    on 16th September 2013, 23:10:18 - Reply

    Although I have few complaints about life in the Netherlands in general, the healthcare sucks, and I have seen it firsthand. I live in the Hague.
    Most recently, I got a referral from my huisarts to see a sleep specialist for suspected apnea.
    Seeing a specialist relies on an antiquated system of waiting for an envelope to be sent from the specialist, mailing the referral back to them, and then waiting for *another* letter with the appointment date.
    I never received the letter with an appointment date. I called the sleep center several times, and they told me to wait a bit longer. They then informed me after a few weeks that they had never received my referral letter, although they still somehow knew my name and address.
    They advised me to go back to the huisarts and get another letter!
    There was already going to be a two-month wait for a sleep study. They wanted me to pay for another appointment with the huisarts and start over with the wait because they lost my referral letter. Amazing.

    In another instance, my regular huisarts was on vacation and had an acupuncture specialist as a substitute. I have nothing against acupuncture per se, but I go to a doctor for medical care and not for acupuncture.
    The acupuncturist lectured me on the medication I was taking and advised me to stop taking it. This seemed insanely unprofessional, especially coming from a substitute doctor.
    His advice? I should get acupuncture!
    What a joke.

    I am very fortunate to have international insurance, and I got an appointment for a sleep study in Belgium with a minimum of hassle and a short wait time.
    I would advise anybody with serious medical complaints to cross the border and get treated in Germany or Belgium. The level of incompetence I've seen here has been astonishing.
  • AudMar posted:

    on 22nd August 2013, 11:59:42 - Reply

    I was so happy to join my Dutch partner in the Netherlands. Having experienced unemployment an what I thought sub-par insurance during that time in the US, I was happy to be in a country where everyone received care....until I went to the dr. First apt: was a "substitute dr." She told me about the 10 min 1 subject rule. I explained my issues and explained that I needed a refill on a prescription. She said she would only give me 2 weeks because my "permanent" dr might wan to give me something different. After 20 useless minutes, I was back in the office scheduling another apponintment with the permanent doctor the following week. I even left them a book of my medical files to review before the next appointment. Arrived today for 2nd appointment. Dr was 30 minutes late. Completely frazzled. She hadn't even reviewed my files and didn't know why I was there! I had to go over the same stuff(which I mostly forgot bc I was SOOO shocked since I already explained my "complaints" the previous week. She barely listened to me and then said I needed to make another appointment the following week! Good thing I don't yet have a job or I would never make it to work dealing with these people! I have decided to try out another doctor in the next town over. I shiver thinking about going back to that chaotic place with incompetent people that call themselves doctors.
  • Linda posted:

    on 6th June 2013, 08:49:25 - Reply

    After reading so many comments about the Dutch healthcare system and living in Amsterdam for nearly two years, I had to break down and visit a GP for a nasty cough. It sounds like a broken record but I received the same reception as many people here. Although I had been experiencing a 'crunchy' cough for more than 2 weeks already, the doctor said my lungs were normal after checking with the steth. She then proceeded to tell me that it could possible carry on for another 4 or 5 weeks and her only advice was to drink plenty of water. If the cough hadn't cleared in another month I should come back for another check. I'm from the US and at the very least a doctor there would have given me some kind of cough supressant recommendation or prescription to keep the cough at bay so my partner and I could sleep at night, but no, non was offered here. Something as simple as Robitussin is banned over the counter here and doctors are not so open to prescriptions. My partner told me I need to fight and speak up for what I need from the doctor, but I'm not the one who went to med school and for what I pay in insurance every month, I shouldn't have to diagnose myself and then suggest and fight for the best medication. It's ridiculous! If you read stats about mortality rates here in Holland it's even more frightening. A country that has one of the highest rates of of death from curable cancer in the EU coupled with one of the highest rates of smoking. Non-interventionist indeed. I'm just hoping that nothing major happens to me while living here which is stressful to think about.
  • Peter L in leiden posted:

    on 20th February 2013, 16:13:51 - Reply

    Health care is worse than depicted in some surveys and even going over th2 abyss. Example based on Eurostats statistics: Holland in 2010 (most recent stat) scores 5th worst in mortality for two leading cancers and for many others it is also abysmal. They ration care here like in no other country, not even the UK is as bad. In 2013 a law will be passed that patients won't be choosing their own doctors and clinics anymore. Insurers will. So they will impose the cheapest, most second rate ones. For my cancer I cannot even get MRI's here in the Netherlands, while I can in other countries. They only allow ultrasounds and that means spreading gets detected too late to treat properly. The know how here of many cancers is also subpar. There are South-American countries where they know more. Clinical trials are mostly done to satisfy the government's demands for proof, not to do real innovative research, so those trials are like reinventing the wheel already researched in the USA or the rest of Europe. Ypu cannot get into a private clinic of with a private doctor either, since there is no true dual private/public system here with different standards. Everyone has to abide by government edicts. Better get your care in the dual system in Germany, just across the border, if you can. By the way, Dutch health care will not reimburse any foreign care, unless it is man emergency and then only at ridiculously low Dutch care rates.
  • Steve posted:

    on 18th November 2012, 11:23:59 - Reply

    Just like my experience PS. I also went to change doctors because mine is so useless, and THEN they were suddenly all over me with lots of attention. The rest of the time they are too busy to see me without an appointment a week ahead, and quietly obnoxious if I mention more than one topic, probably thinking 'huh I've fixed the problem and now he wants something for free!' [Edited by moderators] I have to demand antibiotics sometimes or it's just the standard 'come back in a week and we'll see how it's going'. They just want to clock up another consult!
  • ps posted:

    on 22nd October 2012, 13:34:05 - Reply

    I am also disappointed with Dutch doctors. I have a cyst on my left ovary. According to most doctors (not the one from my country), because the cyst is small I only have to do regular checks. So my 1st GP sent to me a specialist, who told during the consulation that I could have endometriose and that's all he said (why? because I was there for the cyst only). Something about the Ducth doctors is for each consukation we should only cover 1 complain.Maybe that is why he didn't continue the conversation.. Because there was no further discussion, I though, this is not an issue.. A few months later we (I and my husband) decided to have children, so I went to the doctor to ask advice. He only told me to take folic acid.I forgot to mention the endometriose (after the specialist consulation I found out that this could cause infertiliy). By the way, I forgot because, as always the consulations take 10 minutes only and you are not suppose to mention more than 1 subject. When I left he promissed to call me the following week as I was waiting for some lab tests results. When I realized I forgot to mentioned the endometriose, i though well, it's good that the doctor has to call me with regards the tests results. then I can ask him for a referral to go to the specialist. The doctor never called, so I called the assistant and asked if the doctor could give me a call back (the practice allows 1 hour per week for phone appointments). I expressed my concern and said that it was urgent for me. He never called.. After 1 week I decided to chang GP. The same day I changed GP, i received a phone call from the assistance asking if I had changed GP so that she could send my medical records to him. I confirmed and she the way, the doctor tried to call twice you but it didn't work (can you imagine, she was now caling me because I had changed GP but giving the excuse that there was something wrong with my number). Anyway, I asked for my tests results, she said the doctor would call me (although the doctor told me the assistance could also inform me). But the doctor never call. 2 days later I called again, this time only to ask if they had sent my record to the new doctor. She said yes (although she was extremelly rude). But the truth is, 2 weeks have passed and the new doctor never received my records. I have a new GP, until now, no complains, I went to a specialist who told me: endometriose can only be checked by means of surgery (it is not just infertility, it causes extremelly severe period pains). And from what I read, with a surgey it can be checked and partially removed improving fertility and reducing pain. But the specialist wants to wait 9 months to see if you can get pregant. If not we will check for infertility and check if you have endometriose.I cannot believe, also becasue according to what, even if a woman gets preganat, with endometriose, it is very likely to have miscarriages. [Edited by moderator. Please post (elaborate) questions on Ask the Expert or on our Forums. If you have questions for the Expatica staff, please contact us directly.] I think there is nothing I can do, only going back to my country and asked them to check it. With all these things I called my country's doctor and she confirmed the reason why she wanted me o remove the cyst was beacsue it could be related to endometriose
  • Nancy posted:

    on 11th September 2012, 16:04:42 - Reply

    Hello, I agree with most posts I read so far: being a French citizen, having lived years in the US, and now being in the NL for a bit less than a year (and pregnant), I feel so disappointed with the Dutch health care. I changed general practitioner, I went to a well-known hospital (Bronovo in the Hague), and despite that, I feel so frustrated by the lack of knowledge of "huisarts" in this country. I learned enough of medicine and biology in grad school to believe that I can tell when some obvious medical ******** are being told. And yes, you are compelled to pay for a Dutch insurance: they are expensive FOR WHAT THEY COVER, in particular, as in my case, if you are pregnant and does NOT want to give birth at home and want pain relief medication during labor without serious medical grounds. Not talking about the fact that, when your pregnancy is not "high risk", you can only meet with midwives (mine were extremely kind but totally lacked any kind of medical knowledge; even after bleeding at 28 weeks, i still was not referred to an OB; and i am not talking about the stress i had around my poorly treated UTI... you don't need an extra load of stress during pregnancy...). Despite the cost, we decided to go abroad for obstetrical care and childbirth. Best decision of the year. I get great care now and that's ok if i pay more for it and barely get a 10% reimbursement despite subscribing to the highest insurance policy: it's my choice. However, even if i wanted to pay more in the NL, I would not find that quality of care, and i blame the Dutch system for that. I am not looking forward to go back to the NL: what kind of pediatrician will i find there? To conclude, if you are healthy, not pregnant and/or dislike medical interventionism, the NL will be just fine for you. Otherwise, I would not recommend it.
  • Anna posted:

    on 11th August 2012, 18:00:00 - Reply

    They are not my statistics. Refer please to the consumenten Bond. It was a few years ago.I may have indeed got the figures wrong, sorry if made a mistake, if so you are correct to correct me as you are right 100.000 could hardly be correct !
    Having said that ,I was shocked at the article and as I mentioned my specialist confirmed a lot to me.But I do not have the publication anymore (2009 I think) . it was on the cover of the magazine. At the same time the Dutch "Readers Digest "ran an article advising people here stay healthy by eating well, exercising and taking supplements so you and your kids don't have to go into a Dutch hospital .
    Not my research nor my words.
    It was shocking to say the least.
    . I have had my own experiences and those of many others.Some years back they did not even have hospices here for the terminally ill .

  • pepe posted:

    on 9th August 2012, 11:22:16 - Reply

    @Anna, in 2011 135.516 people died in the Netherlands. So your claim that over 100.000 die because they are not sent to a specialist on time, seem very unlikely,
  • Anna posted:

    on 8th August 2012, 14:50:42 - Reply

    The only thing I care about is my experience and that of others. The BMA will have their statistics etc from the Dutch themselves so as they always hide the nasty stuff no-one will be the wiser. Even some of their own publications warn about the health care. Their "consumenten bond" ran articles on the fact over 100.000 Dutch die per year (and maybe more they reckon as not all cases made known) because their GP's don't send them to a specialist on time. I asked my specialist ( a good one, they are around by the way but not many !) if this was true and he nodded saying "and we have to deal with the mess once they are here and get the blame if we can't help them" So I dont listen to medical journals..written by doctors FOR doctors If you ever and I hope you don't ever go into hospital here what else can I say but "all the best "(hopefully you will fare better than I. They ruined my health here through incompetence) I see doctors now in London and Germany for various problems and am improving somewhat, but terrified of ever having to go into hospital here again. [Edited by moderator]
  • Anna posted:

    on 8th August 2012, 14:44:58 - Reply

    @ ostia, very true. The problem in NL is that doctors are too "specialistic" as one student told me and he was going to Germany to work when qualified.

    This means a specialist ONLY knows about his specialism, kidney, heart, liver, gynae. etc NOTHING else. I have experienced this to my shock and horror. Now this is a FACT.

    Here they will also.i.e scan you when pregnant, but only the baby. I had a child in the UK too and there they scanned all around the stomach. I asked what she was doing ( being used to NL) and she answered" Just looking as I might as well while busy. Don't they do that in Holland?" I said "no, they just look at the baby" "but they did after your operation surely"? "no", I said just that area". She was shocked I noticed, but said nothing. After I told all the horror stories of living in this country she said "I thought Holland was a first world country"?
    I could go on but I would need to write a book.
  • osita posted:

    on 26th July 2012, 19:12:34 - Reply

    It's unlikely to change either until they introduce a system which allows them to select medical students based on the highest grades.

    At the moment, they prefer the draw-out-of-the-hat lottery system which allows a college leaver with a six-point-five-average to get a place at the expense of a person with a nine-point-nine average.

    If they were barely smarter than average at school, it's astounding that the Dutch system thinks they'll be able to cope with sheer amount of knowledge they have to cram to keep patients alive, or even to bother reading and keeping up to date in their own field (I've met plenty of doctors here who so obviously don't).

    When it comes to saving people's lives and maintianing their quality of life, it's morally reprehensible for a country to spend a fortune on the education of someone who simply isn't the best candidate for the job.