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whilst I do not condone the forced wearing of the burka I think women should have the choice if they wish to wear it. It is patrinising to asume that they can not choose for themselves. I am a feminist and not religous but believe in free speech and to wear what one wishes whether it is a mini skirt or to be coverred up
In most cases they cannot choose for themselves. Because they are severely dealt with if they flout the 'code' (more nonsense invented by insecure men) they have little choice. How has that got anything to do with free speech? As for it being patronising to assume that many of these women have any choices at all in some areas..... words fail me. Have you any idea what happens to them if they disobey?????
I still wonder that it might not be somewhat over-the-top to ban the covering of faces - what happens if you want to wear a balaclava in cold weather?
Hi Steve, I said I certainly do not condone the forced covering up of women. I worked for the medical foundation for victims of torture , women's' aid , and with refugees in the past I have also lived in the Middle East. I have helped women fleeing from persecution and violence. I di however come across - strange as it may seem to you - who did wish to cover themselves. I just think that it a very high handed and arrogant approach to a sensitive subject. The best way is through education and tolerance is it not?
Sara
You have much experience in this area that I do not. However, it is also true that kidnap victims often become slavishly devoted to their captors and want nothing other than to please. Patty Hurst is perhaps the most well known.
The proposal is high-handed but do you really believe that our efforts to 'educate' will work when there are men of violence keeping these women down? I'm afraid I don't - and I would normally be the biggest advocate of using education to prevail. As for tolerance, is this for the oppressed females or the oppressing males? It is tolerance - some would say apathy - that permitted the rise of Hitler and his henchmen. In that case Churchill was one of only a few souls who saw that tolerance was anything but the right answer. Of course that is an extreme example but if forcing women to cover themselves for deeply dubious reasons was allowed to progress unchecked, might it not one day be forced on all our children? A tiny acorn does grow into a huge tree - it takes years but it does happen.
whilst I do not condone the forced wearing of the burka I think women should have the choice if they wish to wear it. It is patrinising to asume that they can not choose for themselves. I am a feminist and not religous but believe in free speech and to wear what one wishes whether it is a mini skirt or to be coverred up
In most cases they cannot choose for themselves. Because they are severely dealt with if they flout the 'code' (more nonsense invented by insecure men) they have little choice. How has that got anything to do with free speech? As for it being patronising to assume that many of these women have any choices at all in some areas..... words fail me. Have you any idea what happens to them if they disobey?????
I still wonder that it might not be somewhat over-the-top to ban the covering of faces - what happens if you want to wear a balaclava in cold weather?
Hi Steve, I said I certainly do not condone the forced covering up of women. I worked for the medical foundation for victims of torture , women's' aid , and with refugees in the past I have also lived in the Middle East. I have helped women fleeing from persecution and violence. I di however come across - strange as it may seem to you - who did wish to cover themselves. I just think that it a very high handed and arrogant approach to a sensitive subject. The best way is through education and tolerance is it not?
Sara
You have much experience in this area that I do not. However, it is also true that kidnap victims often become slavishly devoted to their captors and want nothing other than to please. Patty Hurst is perhaps the most well known.
The proposal is high-handed but do you really believe that our efforts to 'educate' will work when there are men of violence keeping these women down? I'm afraid I don't - and I would normally be the biggest advocate of using education to prevail. As for tolerance, is this for the oppressed females or the oppressing males? It is tolerance - some would say apathy - that permitted the rise of Hitler and his henchmen. In that case Churchill was one of only a few souls who saw that tolerance was anything but the right answer. Of course that is an extreme example but if forcing women to cover themselves for deeply dubious reasons was allowed to progress unchecked, might it not one day be forced on all our children? A tiny acorn does grow into a huge tree - it takes years but it does happen.
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