Tue, 29 May 2012
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As a patient on immunosuppression and therefore at fairly high risk of the more seriously reported effects of the H1N1 virus, I am appalled that so many in the nursing profession are willing to expose me to even more risk by their potential to infect me. Clearly they do not understand the vaccination programme and I expect more of my "educated" medical carers... Their complacence is very worrying.
When 2/3 of the nurses in the NL refuse to be vaccinated against the H1N1 virus, it makes me wonder exactly how much those rejecting protection really know about virology.
These vaccines do not contain 'live' viruses, but only inactive particles of them. Of course, there are a great many varieties of flu viruses and they can mutate even in the process of producing a breeder stock. However, a great deal of careful research goes into selecting which viral strain can protect society the best before going into production. This review process significantly improves the odds that the virus selected will provide the best and most effective.
In addition, modern candleing techniques used for identifying live embroyos in host chicken eggs required to cultivate these vaccines have been automated to make large production volumes possible.
Furthermore, because of the other high costs of preliminary screening and producing multiple stock batches, most pharmaceutical firms stay away from sterile biologics altogether. There is also the fact that flu shot costs have become highly politicized since at least 1975, during the last large flu epidemic, so that with governments setting the selling price of flu shots, there is only a small margin of profit left over fully apsorbed standard cost, if that, to give incentive for investment in flu vaccine production.
The nurses are right. It goes against their rights to force them to take that vaccin. The vaccin is more dangerous then the flu itself. And it is against the Constitution of any country to force people to take vaccin. It's their body and they rule over it, not the government. After them, the rest of the citizens are next to take the vaccin.
I mean think about. Once the government tells you what to insert in your body, then who is to stop it later. That vaccin can cause neurological damage. People have died after taking the vaccin. I completely support the nurses decision!
This is not about whether nurses should be forced to take flu shots. It's about their lack of confidence or knowledge about the quality that goes into producing these vaccines. Nurses should be setting an example for the rest of the community, especially those most vulnerable to any flu attack. Six million died in 1918 from a particularly virulent strain of the flu. Sure flu vaccines, because of the manner in which these viruses can mutate so quickly, can never be 100% sure of preventing the flu. However, these vaccines are the best thing society has in helping prevent the type of pandemic suffered in 1918.
This is no time for members of the scientifically trained health community to be running around hysterically and causing unrest and undo concern among the patients they are supposed to set a rational model.
Required innoculations are nothing new. From school children to military personnel as well as those traveling to certain foreign countries, they are a basic requirement. So OK, if you do not care to receive these vaccines, then also accept that you should not be paid sick leave for having contracted the flu later.
Let the ones who made the vaccin use it first. If you are the maker of the vaccin, than use it on yourself and we will see if you remain alive and healthy.
I am getting my first flu shot today or tomorrow, to be followed up in two weeks by my first Mexican flu shot, then my second Mexican flu shot two weeks thereafter. These are only virus particles that are being given and not whole or socalled "live" viruses; I will be OK and I will be protected. If others want to gamble on coming in contact with live viruses through normal social contact without this protection, then they only have themselves to blame for what may take place later.
If indeed, so many nurses here decide not to take this protection, then we could face grossly understaffed hospitals, should the flu virus rise to epidemic proportions. There may be no one left to take care of you in that case!
Does anybody know how Expats can get the vax? I am new to working here and have no idea at how to go about it. Nobody at work seems to care yet in Ireland, where I come from, people are all booked up to get it.
If somebody could give me some advice on how we can get the vax I would really appreciate it :)
Thanks
David
Your huisarts or GP can give you full coverage starting now. Ask your neighbors who they use as their huisarts and contact them. The huisarts is the medical gatekeeper here in the NL; make sure you have your health insurance membership number when you contact them. You probably have more than one choice, so if you still can't get anyone to recommend one simply look in the classified section of your phonebook under "Huisarts". Your Human Resources department at work may also have some suggestions. Good luck!
Thanks man - I will check it out next week!!
Therefore, if the majority of nursing staff in The Netherlands are so ignorant that they do not see any benefits to getting a flu vaccine despite the fact they are in the medical field what does this say as to the intelligence of these nurses. What kind of education do these people get?
If you need a campaign and to educate nurses on influenza and vaccines after they ummm got an education I think it speaks for itself as to the quality of education these medical staff get.
I honesty do not feel that anyone in the public health sector should be so damn stupid and have a choice to put the public at risk for the sake of choice.
@Donna what about the choice of the people these people are in care of. If these people you support do not want to take extra precautions for the better of the public than they should not choose the profession of nursing!
Can you give any data or science that proves vaccinations are more harmful than influenza itself? How can you state such false information as fact? Maybe this is your opinion but this is not a fact. Next time put in front of your sentences in my opinion blab la bla.
As a patient on immunosuppression and therefore at fairly high risk of the more seriously reported effects of the H1N1 virus, I am appalled that so many in the nursing profession are willing to expose me to even more risk by their potential to infect me. Clearly they do not understand the vaccination programme and I expect more of my "educated" medical carers... Their complacence is very worrying.
When 2/3 of the nurses in the NL refuse to be vaccinated against the H1N1 virus, it makes me wonder exactly how much those rejecting protection really know about virology.
These vaccines do not contain 'live' viruses, but only inactive particles of them. Of course, there are a great many varieties of flu viruses and they can mutate even in the process of producing a breeder stock. However, a great deal of careful research goes into selecting which viral strain can protect society the best before going into production. This review process significantly improves the odds that the virus selected will provide the best and most effective.
In addition, modern candleing techniques used for identifying live embroyos in host chicken eggs required to cultivate these vaccines have been automated to make large production volumes possible.
Furthermore, because of the other high costs of preliminary screening and producing multiple stock batches, most pharmaceutical firms stay away from sterile biologics altogether. There is also the fact that flu shot costs have become highly politicized since at least 1975, during the last large flu epidemic, so that with governments setting the selling price of flu shots, there is only a small margin of profit left over fully apsorbed standard cost, if that, to give incentive for investment in flu vaccine production.
The nurses are right. It goes against their rights to force them to take that vaccin. The vaccin is more dangerous then the flu itself. And it is against the Constitution of any country to force people to take vaccin. It's their body and they rule over it, not the government. After them, the rest of the citizens are next to take the vaccin.
I mean think about. Once the government tells you what to insert in your body, then who is to stop it later. That vaccin can cause neurological damage. People have died after taking the vaccin. I completely support the nurses decision!
This is not about whether nurses should be forced to take flu shots. It's about their lack of confidence or knowledge about the quality that goes into producing these vaccines. Nurses should be setting an example for the rest of the community, especially those most vulnerable to any flu attack. Six million died in 1918 from a particularly virulent strain of the flu. Sure flu vaccines, because of the manner in which these viruses can mutate so quickly, can never be 100% sure of preventing the flu. However, these vaccines are the best thing society has in helping prevent the type of pandemic suffered in 1918.
This is no time for members of the scientifically trained health community to be running around hysterically and causing unrest and undo concern among the patients they are supposed to set a rational model.
Required innoculations are nothing new. From school children to military personnel as well as those traveling to certain foreign countries, they are a basic requirement. So OK, if you do not care to receive these vaccines, then also accept that you should not be paid sick leave for having contracted the flu later.
Let the ones who made the vaccin use it first. If you are the maker of the vaccin, than use it on yourself and we will see if you remain alive and healthy.
I am getting my first flu shot today or tomorrow, to be followed up in two weeks by my first Mexican flu shot, then my second Mexican flu shot two weeks thereafter. These are only virus particles that are being given and not whole or socalled "live" viruses; I will be OK and I will be protected. If others want to gamble on coming in contact with live viruses through normal social contact without this protection, then they only have themselves to blame for what may take place later.
If indeed, so many nurses here decide not to take this protection, then we could face grossly understaffed hospitals, should the flu virus rise to epidemic proportions. There may be no one left to take care of you in that case!
Does anybody know how Expats can get the vax? I am new to working here and have no idea at how to go about it. Nobody at work seems to care yet in Ireland, where I come from, people are all booked up to get it.
If somebody could give me some advice on how we can get the vax I would really appreciate it :)
Thanks
David
Your huisarts or GP can give you full coverage starting now. Ask your neighbors who they use as their huisarts and contact them. The huisarts is the medical gatekeeper here in the NL; make sure you have your health insurance membership number when you contact them. You probably have more than one choice, so if you still can't get anyone to recommend one simply look in the classified section of your phonebook under "Huisarts". Your Human Resources department at work may also have some suggestions. Good luck!
Thanks man - I will check it out next week!!
Therefore, if the majority of nursing staff in The Netherlands are so ignorant that they do not see any benefits to getting a flu vaccine despite the fact they are in the medical field what does this say as to the intelligence of these nurses. What kind of education do these people get?
If you need a campaign and to educate nurses on influenza and vaccines after they ummm got an education I think it speaks for itself as to the quality of education these medical staff get.
I honesty do not feel that anyone in the public health sector should be so damn stupid and have a choice to put the public at risk for the sake of choice.
@Donna what about the choice of the people these people are in care of. If these people you support do not want to take extra precautions for the better of the public than they should not choose the profession of nursing!
Can you give any data or science that proves vaccinations are more harmful than influenza itself? How can you state such false information as fact? Maybe this is your opinion but this is not a fact. Next time put in front of your sentences in my opinion blab la bla.
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