"Government investigated ban on Wilders film"

3rd March 2008, Comments 13 comments

The government has looked into whether the anti-Koran film from Geert Wilders can be banned before its release.

3 March 2008

AMSTERDAM – The government has looked into whether the anti-Koran film from Geert Wilders can be banned before its release. Sources closed to the cabinet have confirmed this, the Telegraaf reports.

The government prosecutor has investigated whether there are legal grounds to prevent the film from being released.

Taking the matter to court would not be entirely hopeless, in light of the threats from abroad, the Telegraaf reports. A ban would come upon opposition from Labour PvdA however.

[Copyright Expatica News + ANP 2008]

13 Comments To This Article

  • Chip Hazard posted:

    on 5th March 2008, 01:09:32 - Reply

    Gerry, you're putting too many steaks on the BBQ. The issue here is not the foreign policy of the US, but the Koran. And you have just committed a major blasphemy, saying that the Koran is (mistakenly) interpreted. No Muslim scholar will ever accept your opinion: the Koran is Revealed Truth, and it cannot be interpreted. It has been revealed in Arabic for that precise purpose: for the sake of clarity and to avoid interpretations. So, if in the Koran it is written 'Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war' (9:5) and 'Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah' (8:39), and 'Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say 'The Messiah, son of Mary, is God" (5:17) it cannot be interpreted, it is like it is written. That's why the last scripts of suicide bombers, including the 9/11's, are not ranting against America or the West in general, on poverty and oppression, but quotes from the Koran. They think, all believing Muslims think that Allah is telling them to kill or submit infidels. And they comply.
    If that's OK for you and you're ready to surrender and live as a Dhimmi all your life, so be it.
    But let me disagree. I prefer Western values to a movement called 'submission', and I am ready to fight for it.
  • Gerry posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 21:54:21 - Reply


    Sure, a lot of people lost their lives in all of these conflicts, we all know the history, and there is always, unfortunately, a necessity to go to war. But, only for good reason and with the military might of the West, Islamic nations do not pose a threat to us yet. Let’s start with the myth, (weapons of mass destruction) do you remember that lie. 1000,000 dead Muslims later and we haven’t gained any ground at all but, literally, handed Iraq on a plate to Iran when America decide to leave, and America’s highest military leaders are openly admitting it today. What will the Iraqis remember Bush for when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad comes to court them, and now that he has friends and puppets in the Iraqi administration, watch another theocracy flower. Bad foreign policy on Americas part and the World stood by. Do you see a pattern? And, Afghanistan under the Jimmy Carter’s administration America armed and provided support to the Taliban and Bin Laden personally. On that occasion the Russians were the target. Bin Laden's argument is poverty within Muslim countries, we need to be careful when we invade their countries and manipulate their resources for personal financial gain (Oil) that we do not awaken the sleeping lion and give credence to his argument. I do know the basis of the Koran and it is in the interpretation that, people make the mistake. Right now in America we have a huge amount of war mongering Neo Conservatives Christian Evangelists, who wish to go to war against Islam by backing Israel. God help us, because I fear them more than I fear the Islamic extremists. If it comes to a shooting war we will win for sure, but, at what cost, and why antagonise the situation further by allowing a man of Wilders calibre to complicate the situation for us on a local basis. He is one of so many far right politicians, and their argument is always so simple. Perhaps, we could have avoided war with Germany if we had not stood by and watched their people starve because the country could no longer pay its war debts, Hitler became their saviour. Bin Laden, Hitler, what’s the difference. If you create a vacuum through neglect and broaden the divide between wealth and poverty, the result has historically always been the same.
  • Jelengar posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 19:51:42 - Reply

    Gerry, O Sancta Simplicitas! I see you didn't read the link I provided few posts upper. So here's the text:

    Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant

    I used to know a man whose family were German aristocracy prior to World War Two. They owned a number of large industries and estates. I asked him how many German people were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has stuck with me and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since.

    “Very few people were true Nazis” he said, “but, many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.”

    We are told again and again by “experts” and “talking heads” that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unquantified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is, that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars world wide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is, that the “peaceful majority” is the “silent majority” and it is cowed and extraneous.

    Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The Average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a war mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of Killing that included the systematic killing of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were “peace loving”.

    History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by the fanatics. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun. Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Bosnians, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others, have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.


  • Chip Hazard posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 19:25:06 - Reply

    Gerry, I have the utmost respect for your age and experience, but judging by the quality of your response you haven't read the Koran (nor the Hadith, nor the Sirah). Believe me, Islam is not yet another scapegoat for some Western wicked plan. Islam is bad. It is - or it became - a religion of hate, far worse than it was 1,000 years ago. And all freedom-loving Westerners should know it, that's why Wilders' movie can be a good wake-up call for all of us sleeping beauties.
    Between Wilders and Islam, the backward racist is not the Dutch MoP.
  • Gerry posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 18:42:25 - Reply

    Well, judging by the quality of your response it is apparent, and highly likely, that you are both young and lack the hindsight of age and experience. Both my parents survived the Second World War, and both sides of my family fought in the First and Second. I was brought up a Roman Catholic in the 60’s and was caught up in the fall out of Northern Ireland’s religious bigotry and have experienced religious apartheid first hand. That was the 60’s 70’s and 80,s and most Muslims around then, and now, are peaceful, it is through prolonged poverty and neglect in Muslim countries that has allowed a very small minority to falsely represent the frustrated majority. We need to learn from history, Hitler’s rise to power came at a time when Germany was economically on its knees, and he gave the German people a cause, and reason, to find a scapegoat for their own short comings. On that occasion it was the Jews who were the focus of attention, and we all know the outcome of that political strategy. American foreign policy has not done any of us, including them, any good when it comes to gaining understanding and co-operation from the Muslim nations in general. We are all now paying the price for that and, backward racists like Mr Wilders needs to be permanently gagged or, sent on a one way ticket to any Muslim country of his choice and there, he can pontificate to his hearts content, without, endangering the national security of your average peace loving Dutchman. Oh, and take Rita with him………..
  • Jelengar posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 18:14:29 - Reply

    I didn't know that any religion is "sacred cow". As far as I'm concerned, you can bash any religion you want, and I won't feel insulted. Organized religions are organized to exploit people and to keep them in submission as sheep. Organized religion (of any kind) has to be separated from the "state". But, for Islam the religion and the state are all in one. With such perception they have nothing to do in Western civilization. Beside, nobody is insulting them at their homes. They feel insulted by the way how we live at our homes. And that is unacceptable. We have to remain masters at our own very homes as much they are masters at their homes. Simple as this.
  • bleah posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 17:53:52 - Reply

    Freedom of what? Freedom to insult other religion?
  • Jelengar posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 13:55:47 - Reply

    Excellent points made by Chip Hazard. Can not agree enough. The same goes for the next opinion on

  • Chip Hazard posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 12:20:29 - Reply

    Why is Expatica referring to Wilder's film as 'anti-Koran'?
    Has anybody seen it?
    As far as everybody knows, it is a movie ON the Koran. The fact that in that movie the Koran can result as a backward, dark-age, intolerant and hateful book (and certainly not God-written) is not Wilder's fault, but the Koran's. Same with Nazi movies: it's not the movie director who makes them bad: THEY WERE BAD.
    Anyway, without the need of its actual broadcasting, Wilder's movie has already proved two things:
    - True-believing Muslims are arrogant, intolerant, vengeful, backward and totally against any form of democracy and free speech;
    - Dutch politicians and most of their EU colleagues have less balls than a ladybug (remember Srebrenica!)
  • Gerry posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 11:58:58 - Reply

    The truth is that the majority of Muslim nations are third world countries and history has taught us that only wealthy country can afford democracy. Poverty leads to frustration and is a perfect breeding ground for extremists. Geert Wilders is a bigot and he antagonises the Islamic extremists to gain support for his own brand of extremism. Perhaps, if he upheld more moderate values he would understand that acceptance of other religions and denominations is the only way forward in this new multicultural society. Society is evolving where, individuals like Wilders are being left behind, he is short sighted, and ignorant in his views. The fact is that we are a melting pot of race and religious beliefs and there is no one correct religion or political ideology that one should impose on the other, that is true freedom of speech.

    What should be happening as the World evolves and society changes is that, we should, instead of plundering weaker nations resources for our own gain, invest in the infrastructure of these less fortunate nations and gain their respect, understanding, and cooperation. All the time there exists is a disparity between wealth and education this present situation will fester and evolve into something that none of us can control without, the world eventually coming into conflict. Invest in the people's future together, there will always be bigots out there to antagonise and create conflict. I wonder if Wilders had a happy childhood, perhaps the answer lies there.

  • Uap posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 09:55:56 - Reply

    yes to Wilders, Yes to everybody that can make Muslim aware that this is Europe and we have built our culture and freedom with centuries. If you Muslim want to live in EU change or go back from your country. And then let us know if there is better than here, do not come to EU if you are not going to change your life stile. This is a place of freedom not for burkas. Wake up Europe or these obsolete religion will desctroy our peace.
    Islam is a new religion they are now where Europen were at the end of Middleages. We had already our developpement process, now is their turn if they are not ready go back to your Muslim country and again let us know if there is better than Europe.
    Wilders and W all the other smart brain that defend out cultura.
  • Jelengar posted:

    on 4th March 2008, 02:50:23 - Reply

    Your stupid thoughts shoud be banned.

    You're living in the fear already, before even anybody has seen the film! So!? We're living (unwillingly) in the fear anyway. And who's imposing it? Wilders definitely not! Stupid extremists.
  • fck_wilders posted:

    on 3rd March 2008, 20:36:49 - Reply

    Yeah, that stupid film must be banned!

    Why Dutch people sacrifice their own safety for the sake of this kind of stupid film? In the name of freedom? Come on! If then you live in fear ... that's not freedom anymore!