Fitna put on par with Mein Kampf in textbook

4th November 2008, Comments 11 comments

The Freedom Party is furious that Fitna has been liken to Hitler’s Mein Kampf in a primary school textbook.

4 November 2008

THE NETHERLANDS - The Dutch right-wing Freedom Party is furious about a paragraph in a primary school textbook in which party leader Geert Wilders' film Fitna is put on a par with Adolf Hitler's book Mein Kampf.

The textbook, which will be distributed to 2,000 primary schools, cite Fitna and Mein Kampf as examples of one-sided thinking.

The Freedom Party says it's a disgrace that the textbook was subsidised by the Dutch government. The party speaks of political indoctrination and demands that the authors, the Day of Respect foundation recall the textbooks.

The foundation says that even though it is not entirely happy about the phrasing of the passage in question, it has no intention of cancelling distribution.

The Day of Respect will be marked next week on Thursday, 13 November 2008.

[Radio Netherlands / Expatica]

11 Comments To This Article

  • stringer posted:

    on 8th November 2008, 10:10:58 - Reply

    James, Jesus is a prophet in Islam and Muslims have killed in spite of him too...a muslim scholar like yourself ought to have known that.

    It's interesting that you accuse us of prejudice when you're the one promoting it. Your argument all along is that it's acceptable to stoke up hatred of Muslims by implying that to sign up to Islam is to be taught to kill - totally ignoring the political reasons for pretty much all of the violence you see.

    If the film was about how crooked imams use the koran to recruit young, poor muslim men for terrorist acts then that would be one thing but the film is an attempt to show that every muslim is a terrorist and it's obviously no more true than saying that every Irishman was a terrorist during the troubles. Young Irishmen were lured to the IRA, UVF, whatever, by being sold lofty ideals of a united Ireland or the defence of Ulster. The truth is that the people running the organisations were criminals that derived serious power from taking advantage of the idealism of young men. The same template happens in every terrorist organisation but it's completely untenable for you to say that every member of a group who a terrorist organisation says it represents is also a terrorist or even supports it.
  • james posted:

    on 7th November 2008, 18:37:30 - Reply

    Philip and Stringer: Christians have killed in spite of and in complete disregard of the teachings of Jesus. Muslims murder because of Mohammed's teachings.
    Since Mohammed, Muslims have murdered 200 million people...70 million alone during the Mughal invasion of India. Christian atrocities don't come anywhere near this. Also, Christianity has moved on since the Inquisition thanks to the Enlightenment. Islam has not. Since 9/11 there have been over 10,000 terrorist attacks by Muslims worldwide.
    Denial is not just a river in Egypt. It runs through your veins. Your wilful ignorance of the history of Islam is irresponsible. And by the way, I am not a Christian. I'm a Buddhist.It is typical of the Left that any defence of Christianity must be coming from a Christian. It doesn't cross your mind for a moment that I am not partisan but just concerned with the truth.
  • stringer posted:

    on 7th November 2008, 18:06:03 - Reply


    I had no idea we were in some kind of competition.

    In any case, aren't you drifting off the subject, which is whether Fitma is some kind of reasoned argument or not? Selective quotes from the Koran, or selective statistics on your comment just serve the same purpose without context.

    I wouldn't argue that the Koran is some kind of peace document any more than I would argue that the Old Testament is but it seems that central to your argument (apparently) and James's is that Christianity is some religion of peace. For what it's worth, my suspicion is that westerners are less radical for reasons of economy and secularisation, not because of Christianity. By the way, love the link, yet another "I'm not a racist but..." site...
  • John posted:

    on 7th November 2008, 17:36:49 - Reply

    Put the numbers in perspective!

    1) More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined

    2) More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

    3) Islamic terrorists murder more people everyday than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years

    4) 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.
  • stringer posted:

    on 7th November 2008, 13:42:09 - Reply

    For someone who tells me to "educate [myself]", your prediliction for rehashing other people's arguments and phrases is quite entertaining. For one thing, please point out where I actually made a moral equivalence...

    The point I actually made was that the Koran was being intentionally and selectively used to discredit all Muslims, not just extremists and that a similar attempt to blacken the name of all Christians using violent passages in the bible would be offensive to you.

    Judging by your emotive response, even the hint that the bible has similar violent passages has already offended you so my case appears to be at least circumstantially proven.

    I could quote Deuteronomy 30:

    30:7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.

    to show how easy it is to find something in the bible that an extremist could use to justify killing "gentiles" or "infidels" but it's not really the point.

    Even in your answer, you tar all Muslims with the same brush. I come from a country where terrorist acts were committed in my name and it shamed me that this happened (I'm Irish, by the way, not Muslim) and at least ostensibly, religion was used as a justification. The fact is, though, that all terrorism is political in nature - religion is merely used as a way to justify the unjustifiable.

    It's the same with Wilders: by attempting to demonstrate that violence by Muslem extremists is fundamental to the Muslem faith, he blackens the name of an entire set of nationalities by extension and gives people like you the justification to see all Muslems as potential terrorists.

    It may disappoint you to learn that I've never once met a Muslem that advocated a theocracy or attempted to convert me. I have, however, met plenty of Christians that advocated the first or attempted the second. You can argue that it's more likely since I live in a Christian country and you'd be statistically correct but don't come here with your "my religion is superior to yours" and expect an easy ride...
  • Philip posted:

    on 7th November 2008, 12:39:11 - Reply

    James, it is pointless trying to defend Christianity, it is no better than the Muslim faith, and for your information the Christian atrocities of the past far exceed anything the Muslim faith has eyet achieved. So if you want to compare atrocities Christianity would win hands down. Now, Bush is a christian, and he 'speaks to God', he has single handedly executed orders that have killed more innocent people than any Muslim fanatic, so take off your rose tinted glasses and get some persective. The Christina faith and the Muslim faith are both equally absurd and dangerous, so stop trying to suggest that Christianity os somehow sophisticated against the Muslim faith, it is not, we christinas STILL kill more, and that is the bottom line.
  • james posted:

    on 6th November 2008, 16:54:18 - Reply

    Stringer: Christians are not flying planes into skyscrapers,blowing trains, beheading people on camera, stoning people to death for adultery, hanging gays in public squares, executing anyone who leaves their religion, indulging in forced marriages and honour killings, justifying the beating of wives. In addition, Christians are not pewrsecuting other religious minorities as is occurring in many Islamic countries and they do not regard those of other religions a second class citizens.
    There is no mandate in the Bible to wage war against unbelievers for as long as it takes to establish hegemony. All the violence actions in the Bible are particular events that are part of a historical narrative and not part of a supremacist ideology that stands for all time.
    Your moral equivalence is nauseating and is typical of those who have not read the Koran, Hadith and Mohammed's biography. Educate yourself and you will find that the Koran is full of hate speech that is aimed at non-Muslims and Jews for all time, because it is accepted by Muslims as the immutable word of God. You are in denial about the nature of Islam. Wilders isn't. It doesn't take a Wilders to ' paint Muslims in a bad light'. The Koran, their slavish acceptance of its teachings of hate and war, and their refusal to openly condemn jihadic violence is enough to do that.
  • stringer posted:

    on 6th November 2008, 16:23:27 - Reply

    James, you know full well that the intention of the film was to paint Muslims in a bad light. There's plenty of violence in the bible that no Christian would nowadays relate to and I'm willing to bet that if such a selective film about the bible had been made by a muslim extremist, you would be up in arms.
  • james posted:

    on 5th November 2008, 18:38:42 - Reply

    In Fitna, Wilders says little if anything at all. He simply quotes from the Koran and Islamic core texts and shows the actions of those who follow those teachings. It is irresponsible to ignore the hate speech in the Koran when presented with it and then shoot the messenger.
  • susie posted:

    on 5th November 2008, 18:11:51 - Reply

    did you see the fitma film? did you listen to what they said? it hardly represents both sides, i'd say that's an example of single minded thinking.
  • james posted:

    on 5th November 2008, 10:56:21 - Reply

    Totally disgusting and abhorrent. The real Nazis are the Day of Respect foundation with their totalitarian PC thought control. Wilders should take them to court for defamation and libel and parents should also sue the schools that are using this pernicious and vile material.