Estate owners sue Greenpeace for prediction

11th June 2008, Comments 136 comments

The organisers’ graphic prediction on how global warming will affect La Manga has caused sales of houses in the coastal area to drop by 50 percent.

11 June 2008

MADRID - A group of real estate developers and property owners in La Manga del Mar Menor - a spit of sandy, low-lying coastal land and Murcia's premier beach resort - are threatening to take Greenpeace to court over its graphic predictions of what global warming may do to the area, which they say have caused house prices to plummet.

The lawsuit, which the plaintiffs plan to present unless Greenpeace agrees to an out of court settlement of almost EUR 30 million in damages, comes more than six months after La Manga featured prominently in a photo book published by the environmental organisation that was intended to shock Spain into action on climate change.

Along with photos of a dried up Ebro River in Zaragoza and a desert in an area of Valencia now filled with lemon and orange groves, the book, Photoclima, shows digitally modified photos of La Manga submerged in water with only the tops of hotels, apartment blocks and palm trees emerging from the blue Mediterranean.

Greenpeace says the book is a graphic portrayal of the conclusions of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which has predicted that global warming will cause sea levels to rise around the world over the coming decades.

"We want to create alarm and a call to action," Juan López de Uralde, Greenpeace's director in Spain, said when the book was published.

The photographs certainly caused alarm in La Manga. According to José Ángel Abad, a lawyer who has taken up the case of the area's aggrieved developers and home owners, prices have plunged by "50 percent" in recent months - a dramatic fall even in light of the end of a nationwide house price boom.

Manipulation
"Greenpeace manipulated the expected rise in sea levels of half a metre to cause alarm. It has sunk the real estate market: no one is buying and everyone has put their apartments up for sale," Abad claims.

He says his clients are seeking EUR 27 million in damages to cover the decrease in the value of their properties.

However, Greenpeace has no intention of settling out of court, arguing that the La Manga property owners are trying to "blackmail" it into footing the bill for their speculation in the real estate market.

"They're trying to blame Greenpeace and its campaign for the problems they have encountered in a market saturated thanks to real estate speculation," Uralde said this week. "We are not going to be intimidated."

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136 Comments To This Article

  • Maria Fisher posted:

    on 22nd September 2012, 23:55:17 - Reply

    It is all very impressive.
    And 135 people with 135 personal meanings.
    We're now 5 years later.
    How did it go with this court case?
    Who was right?
  • wildbird posted:

    on 3rd October 2008, 06:33:17 - Reply

    Its about time someone took on these jerks i mean they are always pulling off stupid and brainless stunts like this i hope the estate ownsers win their lawsuit and boot the greenpeace jerks clean all the way to the moon SCREW GREENPEACE only a jerk would have anything to do with GREENPEACE
  • wildbird posted:

    on 3rd October 2008, 06:33:10 - Reply

    Its about time someone took on these jerks i mean they are always pulling off stupid and brainless stunts like this i hope the estate ownsers win their lawsuit and boot the greenpeace jerks clean all the way to the moon SCREW GREENPEACE only a jerk would have anything to do with GREENPEACE
  • Kevin Ohio posted:

    on 24th June 2008, 19:48:48 - Reply

    God...Where have you people been..we all have to speak out about this global warming hoax..this will destroy the u s and europe...the free world..stop these socialists from ruining the american dream..Liberty and private property rights.Thank God I,m not alone anymore.
  • Gary SF posted:

    on 19th June 2008, 15:15:18 - Reply

    Bravo Greenpeace! Home prices have been dropping all over Spain for economic reasons - is that the fault of Greenpeace too? I guess the reactionary PP types in Spain are just as ignorant as the Republicans in the US. You can't stop the rising ocean by suing an organization. The well accepted predictions about the rising oceans will cause devastation and death in many countries. It will be tragic if our (the world's) response is nothing more than self-serving lawsuits against the messengers of bad news.
  • Dave English posted:

    on 18th June 2008, 18:01:02 - Reply

    I must correct a slight mistake, I did those calculations for water some years ago, it would take 3115.5 cubic miles of water for one inch on a smooth world, so 70% would be 2180.85 cubic miles for our Earth. Ice is about 90% water, so for a true conversion, multiply 2180.85 times 1.1 for 2398.935 cubic miles ice, or 2400, for one inch raise of water, divided by 55 cubic miles a year melting would be 43.63 years (per 2400 cubic miles to raise the oceans one inch)divided into 600,000 cubic miles of ice on Gneenland would come to 13,752 years to melt all of Greenlands ice. Even less to worry about. One odd fact I ran into was that with the extreem low humidity of the polar regions, it could be as low as 750 parts per million, then CO2 would be about 50% of that of water. As the polar regions seem to be warming, does water vapor block CO2 from warming the atmosphere in other parts of the world?
  • Dave English posted:

    on 17th June 2008, 19:14:58 - Reply

    Day to day changes in water vapor can be thousands to tens of thousands of parts per million, the tropics can have up to about 60,000 parts per million water vapor. In the northern latitudes 15,000 to 25,000 parts per million water vapor in the atmosphere is common. What's the big worry over 385 ppm CO2? Water is slighly better at absorbing radiant energy too.
  • FNFCST posted:

    on 17th June 2008, 18:16:11 - Reply

    Your "back of the envelope ice melting calculation is very eye-opening.

    The warming from this miniscule amount of CO2 comes from the increase in water vapor modelers have assumed would increase right alongside CO2 in a warming world. Then the tundra would melt leading to the release of huge amounts of methane--an even more powerful greenhouse gas--which would accelerate the melting even more.

    The AGW theory is science fiction full of assumptions that the media and agenda-driven politicians and scientists promulgate as fact.
  • Dave English posted:

    on 17th June 2008, 10:55:51 - Reply

    It's about time that Greenpeace become responsible for it's Ecobloat. It takes 2180 cubic miles of ice melting to raise the oceans one inch. There's 600,000 cubic miles on Greenland so at the reported 55 cubic miles of melt from Greenlands glaciers, it would take 10,900 years to expose all the land under ice today. At ten times that rate, it would be over 1,000 years to melt all the ice. I believe we and our great grandkids are safe from flooding from the sea even if you consider ice from all over the world. As for CO2, how can less than 4 parts CO2 per 10,000 parts atmosphere heat the other 9,996.15 parts? Consider that it was gallons of water in jugs to mimic molecules, a little warming to the near molecules would happen, but very little overall, not enough to matter, maybe an average of .1 degree average. So what?
  • FNFCST posted:

    on 17th June 2008, 06:03:03 - Reply

    AMB:
    In a warmer world, there would be less temperature contrast because, according to AGW theory, the higher latitudes would warm more than the lower latitudes/equatorial regions. Less temperature contrast means less storminess and therefore severe weather.
  • David posted:

    on 17th June 2008, 00:26:36 - Reply

    Greenpeace have been claiming for the last 20 years that sea levels are going to rise. It is a very sad reflection on the intelligence of the human race that many people still believe their prattling.
  • Ken Westerman posted:

    on 16th June 2008, 18:11:09 - Reply

    Too bad sea levels have stablized, and are now dropping...along with global temperatures since 2001.

    sea level link data: http://icecap.us/images/uploads/SeaLevel_TOPEX.jpg

    global temperatures link data:
    http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/uah_may_08.png

    If you claim AGW...then you're an idiot for ignoring 'the facts'. Stop listening and start researching yourself.
  • MarvelBodyDOTcom posted:

    on 16th June 2008, 08:46:03 - Reply

    Al Gore rocks. He has given our environment the attention while the remainder of politicians simply do not as they are too busy stroking and smoking their own egos. Consider that.
  • Don Lilienthal posted:

    on 14th June 2008, 22:38:48 - Reply

    Global Warming 101
  • Davidicus posted:

    on 14th June 2008, 05:30:59 - Reply

    I hate to admit that yes in fact there is global warming. However, I do not agree that it is man made. The is the planet has been warming since the end of the last ice age 10,000 to 12,000 years ago. The planet goes through cycles. We are just going through a warming cycle. It is the hight of arrogance to think that man is powerful enough to over shadow what God does through natural order.
  • Rubicon posted:

    on 14th June 2008, 05:08:41 - Reply

    Attacking those who challenge the so called consensus, serves only to expose the vacuity of your positions. Attacking peoples' religious beliefs is simply pathetic, especially since you have no knowledge if the person is even religious. That exposes your condescending bias.
    Warmer would be good for the world in food production
  • Mike S posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 20:50:56 - Reply

    Sue the arses off GreenPEST and then drop them naked into the Amazon jungle (as was done at the end of the novel "Rainbow Six" by Tom Clancy) so they can enjoy a short-lived oneness with the nature god they ostensibly worship.

    ---------------------
    Clancy was the first popular novelist to capture the eco-fascism and hatred for all humans at the core of the green religion.

    What comes through again and again in the book, especially in the ruminations by Popov, probably the most interesting character, is the all too true similarity of the Green movement to the Red (Communist) and Brown (Fascist) parties. Understanding this enables one to fully appreciate both the irony, and the appropriateness, of Popov's critical actions in the last half of the book. (Popov is a former KGB agent). That makes for some real page-turning reading. Interesting also is the very real threat to national security that the eco-'true believers' pose when they are appointed to political posts. If humans no longer matter, why should we try to protect them?

    For those consider Clancy’s plot too extreme a dose of reality consider these quotes from the eco-extremists themselves:

    "If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels."
    Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

    In a 1994 UNESCO publication Jacques Cousteau stated: "It's terrible to have to say this. World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. This is so horrible to contemplate that we shouldn't even say it."

    "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill," declared members of the Club of Rome in a sweeping 1991 report on global governance." All these dangers are caused by human intervention.... The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."
  • bp posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 19:29:01 - Reply

    They should also sue the Catholic Church. All that imagery of fire and brimstone cant be helping their property values.
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 19:02:35 - Reply

    You are correct Matt, it IS eco-fascism. They have been unable to get what they want legislatively so they run to the courts - just like Hitler did.
  • Irondog posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 12:45:39 - Reply

    It's over for the "flat earth" people. What's funny about these emotionalists is that they are educated, not living in a trailer park-tells you something about higher education.
  • Nostromo posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 04:36:50 - Reply

    The ice core samples say it all over thousands of years cooling warming and so on. The vikings landed in Greenland during a warming cycle and died out hundreds of years later during a cooling cycle.Every population has itd fools who just love a parade. We have trouble right hear in River City---thats trouble with a capital W and thats stands for warming. Algore is the major leading the fool's parade. Band instruments----no, but who wants to buy carbon credits that he just happens to have in his bag. By the time the sheriff arrives Al has blown out of town with the cash and all the fool's pride.Whats sad about these fools is the fact that their arrogance will not permit them to recognize they have been had. Al and his fellow con artist know this.
  • matt posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 04:04:13 - Reply

    It's really unfair to call the GW advocates Socialists or Communists. They are Fascists. Get it right folks. Their agenda is to bring businesses under the control of government under the guise of "progress".
  • Smart Canadian posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 03:31:24 - Reply

    eh?...whats all the fuss about?.....The sky is falling.....the sky is falling.....there....I said it.....now all real estate will go down in price....I guess lots of Spanish people believe in Green Peace........WAY TO GO SPAIN....WAY TO GO GREEN PEACE.....WAY TO GET YOUR MESSAGE ACROSS TO ALL THEM GREEDY FOLKS.....Caliifornia is going to break away soon.....buy waterfront in Arizona NOW
  • Nancy posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 03:13:02 - Reply

    If people are really buying into what most here think is hysteria, now wonder the world is in the shape it's in.
  • Frank posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 03:07:12 - Reply

    (Algore
  • Frank posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 03:04:06 - Reply

    chimpkeeper Right on! But do you think logic makes a difference? The GW belivers are just like the characters in Chicken little so the Foxy Loxys (Algore
  • David posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 03:00:26 - Reply

    Show me where the ocean is rising? I live on the coast and the beach is at the same place its been since anyone can remember. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
  • oracle2world posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 02:59:13 - Reply

    Dear Geophysicist ... if that is what you truly are.

    No one disputes we have warmed out of an extensive glaciation 10,000 years ago, and warmed out of a "little ice age" 400 years ago.

    The significance of mankind's contribution, if any, to warming in the current "interglacial epoch" is what is under debate. Yes, we are technically IN AN ICE AGE AS WE SPEAK.

    Before anyone here decides to debate the science, please explain Occam's razor, and some of the famous peer-reviewed scientific frauds, the significant of a major meteor strike or increased volcanic activity in the coming years, a brief explanation of statistical variance, the placebo effect, and point to some scientific data that doesn't require wading through 140 megabytes of wallpaper to figure out if the conclusion is justified.

    And explain how just the estimates in the variance of the deep ocean carbon sinks far exceed anything else in the carbon cycle.

    For all those arm-chair "scientists" who never held a test tube, remember the saying:

    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is".

  • Algore posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 02:58:14 - Reply

    KILL THE ENVIROCOMMIES
  • Algore posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 02:55:13 - Reply

    I would settle for the SEVERED HEADS OF EVERY GREENPEACE MEMBER FORMER OR PRESENT AND ANY CONTRIBUTOR OVER $1000

    DEATH to the ENVIROCOMMIES
  • Frank posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 02:50:42 - Reply

    Henny Penny said " The sky is falling the sky is falling' Goosy Loosy said "we must tell the king"
    Turkey Lurkey agreed. They then told Foxy loxy who by taking advantage of their gullibility and ignorance "led" them to the shortcut where they met their end
  • Chimpkeeper posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 02:40:07 - Reply

    This forum is a prime example of why there is a GW debate. Because the average human is a fucktard idiot, and that means all of you. Here's a few points to ponder for you dumbasses, so that maybe you can have an original though instead of regurgitating someone else's talking points:

    If it's called Greenland, what makes you think it's natural state is covered with ice? It is well established that these glaciers formed during the little ice age. So glaciers melting in Greenland means nothing. Had you paid attention in history class, you wouldn't be so easily sold on propaganda

    Our planet floats in an infinite universe, most of which is at or near absolute zero (-273 C since you're all stupid). On what scientific basis do any of you believe that our planet would have any problem exhausting heat.

    Being christian, liberal, or an paid representative of ExxonMobil does not alter the FACTS. When a christian says 2 2 is 4 he is just as right as when Osama bin Laden says it and vice versa. That any of you try to weaken someone's scientific argument by pointing out their religious or political leanings show your extreme lack of intelligence and understanding of the subject you are arguing. So what the fuck are you doing. Getting off on seeing your name on the computer screen. You can do that with Microsoft Word.

    This is the coldest year in recorded history. You are not a "skeptic" if you are on the side of the empirical data. This is straight out of the dictionary. The GW believers are the ones who must bear the burden of proof, not vice versa. The verifiable facts and data say bullshit to GW.

    Mathematics are absolute. The 1300 year period examined by the IPCC is .0000325% of the time the earth has been in existence. In most mathematical treatments this number is effectively zero. To call something a historical trend based on data collected for 0% of the earths history is fucking stupid.

    Why don't all of you get off the internet, actually learn something, and if you still believe in this farce, come back and we'll play a game. I'll give you a banana if you can fit the square block in the square.
  • Cosmo Yakavazi posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 02:23:16 - Reply

    Hey...Hey quit picking on AMB. I think he will be a fine candidate for selling my new line of global warming helmets made of the finest aluminum foil(serves two purposes - reflects heat back into space and you do not hear the voices) or maybe he could sell some of my new series of carbon credits door to door(5 bucks a piece or 3 for $10). This stuff is easy to sell - if they say they are not interested - just lay a guilt trip on them about not wanting to save the planet or why do they hate babies and want to kill them.
  • Undertow posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 02:13:53 - Reply

    Anyone else hear of that new chimpout web site? They put a funny spin on things. Highly recommend it!!! chimpout dot com
  • Frank posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:53:47 - Reply

    I must apologize to every adult here. I have released the juvenile rantings of a product of todays education system. we have managed to reduce this forum to that of a chatroom. It would be in the best interest of anyone that actually cares about the environment to ignore these rantings
  • Frank's Bitch posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:48:18 - Reply

    zzzzzzzzzzzz...too important to think right now...keep talking though...nap time...keep talking, frank...this is all really interesting...no, really it is...i love it when you talk all serious...denying history...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...don't stop, frank!
  • Frank posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:43:06 - Reply

    Jr. Does "trite glib overused and pithy" render something invalid? The earth "wrote it's history" over millions of years. "Real" scientists are learning to read it. Social and political scientists are trying to ignore it. Perhaps your problem with trying to pull "an original idea from your cranium" is caused by your liberal sense of importance which requires your denial of history.
  • Frank Jr. posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:34:18 - Reply

    Dear mature adult polite responsible paternal Frank,

    I thought I was pretty clever, actually. My apologies. I would suppose that we write histories based on the variety of interpretations that we can glean from one seemingly unified geological record. So, no, the Earth doesn't know how to write, silly goose! But I guess your sarcasm is better than my profanity.

    "Enter a trite boring overused glib and pithy phrase that I just googled to make me seem really smart when I can't pull an original idea out of my cranium."
  • Tyler posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:31:11 - Reply

    To the alarmists who believe that a "magic" computer can predict the future:

    My crystal ball, Tarot cards, AND tea leaves declare that Global Warning....err, Climate Change is a hoax.

    Rumor has it that the IPCC has a big neon sign of a hand in their window. I guess that they read palms to predict the future too !

  • Frank posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:24:21 - Reply

    Bonnie your reply does not surprise me. I suppose the saying " profanity is the sign of a weak mind attempting to express itself" is trite too? This is certainly not the reaction of a mature adult. I must have hit a sore spot. Do you think the Earth itself actually wrote several versions of it's history?
  • I Hate Drudge "Vistor" posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:22:26 - Reply

    Oops. My bad. Being referred to as "AIDS denialists" and "paid shills" is logical and reasonable.

    Also, moron, just because people don't like you doesn't mean they are "lefties." I'm sorry you were treated poorly growing up. Really, I'm sorry.
  • Drudge Vistor posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:15:00 - Reply

    Why do you lefties always have to resort to vulgarity and insults? You would advance your arguments farther by using logic and reason.
  • Bonnie Abzug @ EarthFirst posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:10:28 - Reply

    I'd like to further my ends in your mouth, if you don't mind. Eat it.
  • Socialist Environmentalist posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:07:26 - Reply

    Hey Mark,

    Do you mind taking the time to learn to spell? Otherwise, I can't help but think you are a complete ass. Also, nice Hitler reference. Clever AND classy!
  • Mark posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:05:05 - Reply

    you're right Bonnie, and your 'history' is written to further your ends, which is poverty for all.
  • Mark posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 01:02:11 - Reply

    AMB has drank the cool-aid and enjoys it. The problem with most people who have bought into AGW is their pride. To childish to admit that their so-called science hasn't been settled, that there is no consensus and continually refuse to address the reals concerns people and scientists have regarding the science. Its in the playbook for socialism, discount the apponent so their message isn't heard, the Clintons have been doing this for years. Same thing that got Hitler into power.
  • Bonnie Abzug @ EarthFirst posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 00:59:22 - Reply

    Goddamn, Frank, that's the most tired and trite reply I've ever heard. You're putting me to sleep over here. Go back to the Air Force and bomb some shit, won't ya? And don't forget that there is not one "History" but multiple histories all of which are written for certain ends.
  • Frank posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 00:47:51 - Reply

    "Geophysicist" is one of those "paid shills". I worked for 5 years at the Air Force medical research lab at WPAFB Ohio. My dealings with scientists and engineers shows me that no credible scientist or engineer would present anything without supporting evidence. He/she would certainly not try to distract the audience by bringing up Bush in the argument. He/she would stick to the evidence as presented in reports and not ignore that which he/she does not like. This is not the result of science. This is the result of major media version of "truth". Ever wonder why history is ignored in virtually every liberal theory? Because they choose to ignore it. Despite the fact history has a habit of repeating itself. In their quest for self importance they are convienced that their ideas and dreams have never been tried before. Even the geological history of the earth is ignored
  • AMB posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 00:35:35 - Reply

    @Mike M.
    "I'm convinced there are even people who are PAID AGW shills to comment on message boards"

    LOL. Of course you are. It's all just one big conspiracy. Hope you've stocked up on Reynolds Wrap.
  • AMB posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 00:33:40 - Reply

    @Mike M.
    "AMB WILL LIKELY NOT RESPOND TO THIS - PETITIONPROJECT dot ORG ("

    Yeah I've heard of that. It's garbage. You sound like an AIDS denialist, railing against the consensus view on this issue.

    Just because you have experience in a particular scientific field doesn't make you an expert in climate. There's a reason people specialize. Would you want a biologist designing a nuclear power plant? Would you have an entomologist analyzing rock formations?

    What I find really curious about the view of climate change denialists is their illogical position that dumping an additional hundreds of millions of tons of an atmospheric gas into the atmosphere won't have an effect. What's also fascinating is their completely contradictory position that climate scientists are all wrong, but other kinds of scientists are all correct. How convenient you happen to agree with those who reinforce your own opinion!

    Ultimately all we're doing is rendering the planet incapable of sustaining our numbers. If that means fewer of you right wing idiots, then I guess it's worth the price.
  • Edward Abbey posted:

    on 13th June 2008, 00:31:30 - Reply

    Couple of things here...global warming does not imply that the entire world is heating up! Read a science book and pull your head out of your ass (or your bible or your WSJ). When certain parts of the globe warm up (i.e. the Arctic caps), others will freeze over (i.e. northwestern Europe as the Gulf Stream's course is altered further south).

    Long live George Washington Hayduke!
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 23:48:55 - Reply

    Drudge Visitor, you're right about that. AGW is a COLOSSAL lie. It's a lie so big and so contrived with so much money behind it; that scientifically uneducated people don't stand a chance of ever figuring out the truth on their own. I'm convinced there are even people who are PAID AGW shills to comment on message boards; rarely do they ever attempt any scientific defense of their position. On top of that, some of those uneducated ones with money like Oprah Winfrey actually believe the earth will be greener with less of that evil CO2 or that plants like to freeze more often. There really is truth to Hitler's (or Goebbels' ?) statement that the bigger the lie - the more people will believe it. We're seeing that happen before our eyes while Gore and his buddies like Maurice Strong get filthy rich. (Gore has made over $100 million on this scam since he left office.)
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 23:21:11 - Reply

    Geophysicist said: "..which is based on the work of thousands of mainstream scientists conducted over decades, and which is supported overwhelmingly by the scientific community -- is a FACT."

    Name ONE of those scientists who EVER said it was 'fact'???? The IPCC scientists themselves never even said there was definitely any linkage between humans and global warming anyway. It was a handful of those who wrote the report summary, NOT those who did the research! The head of the IPCC admits that we're in a COOLING trend right now and he really has no explanation for it...

    Here are 10's of thousands who do NOT believe AGW: PETITONPROJECT dot ORG Over 30,000 with degrees in SCIENCE, including 9000 PHDs and 40 members of the National Academy of Science.

    Want geologic data? GEOCRAFT dot COM Go to articles and then "Climate and the Carboniferous Period"
  • Drudge Visitor posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 23:20:25 - Reply

    Wow... I can feel the love in here.

    The biggest problem I see is the lefties view this as settled science because they have drunk the kool-aid and believe that destroying the world economy is the only way to save the world... mankind be damned.

    If I could magically plant one understanding in every leftist out there, it would be "EVERYONE has an agenda and not everyone, especially activists, are honest about it."

    Thank you and have a good day.
  • mike alfonso posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 23:12:27 - Reply

    Brandon is my hero.
    N Gilbraith is another pampas idiot claiming "settled science" ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER HA! I had one of those over to the house last week to change my AC filter
  • Barson posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 23:11:12 - Reply

    Jamaica Beach, Texas is a filthy and polluted scumhole. You can SMELL the pollution as soon as you step out of your vehicle. The water is toxic, and the beach is full of litter.
  • Dan in Richmond posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 23:06:20 - Reply

    Geophysicist,

    What facts? As you read down the page, you see the "Drudgetards" providing facts and figures on anthropogenic warming. That is more the debate here. First, you have to recover from your own "sickness" and realize that there is a debate. This AGW is nowhere near fact. If you cannot accept that, then ...

    If you are rational, then you will understand that in the debate, there is a massive argumentative fallacy on the side of those believing in AGW. Let me demonstrate:

    Person 1: The Earth is warming.
    Person 2: See, Man is causing the Earth to warm!
    Person 1: What? That's not what I said. Can you prove that? All planets are warming.
    Person 2: I can't believe this idiot. Everyone knows that everyone believes in AGW.
  • homer posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 23:04:31 - Reply

    To ugly American:

    Good to see idiots read the news too.
  • Xander Cruz posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 22:47:32 - Reply

    So shoot the messenger, as usual? Money trumps safety and common sense again. Greed and stupidity said build close to the low lying wet areas. Greenpeace would have advised otherwise, if anyone cared to listen.
  • Chris - Alaska posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 22:42:45 - Reply

    Third part:
    ALASKANS, FOR GLOBAL WARMING!

    "If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under."
    -- Ronald Reagan

    A man WITH a gun is a CITIZEN
    A man WITHOUT a gun is a SUBJECT

    Take care, be safe.
    God Bless.
    Chris - Alaska
  • Chris - Alaska posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 22:40:55 - Reply

    Second part:
    As for global warming, and melting of glaciers.
    Some are melting, while others are GROWING LARGER!
    As I type this the temp is 34 deg F. in Alaska.
    Normally this time of the year, it is 60-80 deg.!

    Hells Bells.
    The Global warming hype, is all about $$$.
    If you are old enough to remember the 1970's.
    We were told, another ice age was coming!
    Companies were selling huge heaters, to folks in South Texas
  • Chris - Alaska posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 22:38:36 - Reply

    Lets see, if it finally posts my full comments.

    Here is a very SIMPLE experiment, that even my 3 y/o Grandkid can do.
    Take some ice cubes put them in a glass.
    Then fill up the glass with hot water.
    Does the glass overfill, when the ice melts??
    THE ANSWER IS NO!!

    I guess my Grandkid is SMARTER than ALL BORE (oops, Al Gore)
  • Brock posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 22:36:53 - Reply

    What a joke. Who really listens to Greenpeace.. It's spain, oh well.

    To the dimwit who noted 99% of scientists can't be wrong, I note; when the scientists are essentially forced to support a belief due to the way grants are administered; Or when senior researchers will only hire scientists who subscribe to the theory; It sure looks like science is not so pure.

    Here's a tip, consider what the father of meteorology has to say about global warming. Or the founder of the weather channel.

    Or go ahead and be a global warming nazi. I don't care. Your lunacy will become apparent in the fullness of time.

    Now PLEASE critique my english skills. Like I care about your opinion.
  • dave posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 22:28:48 - Reply

    Because of CO2, the planet is now greener than it has been in years! Plants flourish in CO2. Ever walk into a green house?

    First Greenpeace then the ACLU!!!!
  • oracle2world posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 22:11:28 - Reply

    What happened to the good old days when Greenpeace was blowing up ships?

    But I digress.

    Hope this lawsuit makes it into court, and global warming gets put on trial. With europeans getting a chance to bash the USA, it is a slam dunk that Greenpeace will lose.

    It is okay to humor the global warming radicals when they are just ranting to no one in particular, and especially when they steer clear of China since there is not chance China listens to anyone. But when they affect real estate ... watch out.
  • Frank posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 22:04:23 - Reply

    As I read it this person Abad says the manipulated predicted sea level rise is only half a meter. As I remember a meter is just a little over 39 inches. Half of that would maybe submerge a small doghouse. I don't know of any human habitated dwelling that is less than 20 inches high ( half a meter) Any such presentation showing real houses under water with this prediction is total misrepresentation and certainly legally actionable
  • bryan posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:49:52 - Reply

    The book expresses the opinions of Greenpeace. In the US this would be protected free speech and would never go to trial. While I consider “man made” global warming to be just a theory, the attempted suppression of ideas and opinions is the true crime.
    Virginia
  • Jackal posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:48:35 - Reply

    Oh come on you morons. There is no Global Warming as put forth by the Eco-terrorists. "Greenpeas" is something the world would be a better place without.
  • Terry Black posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:48:17 - Reply

    What do scientists think about global warming? Try this website:

    http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/11/23656/027

    The best opinions are informed ones.
  • Geophysicist posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:44:34 - Reply

    There really is nothing that can be said to poeple like Dan in Richmond because he and his ilk view the issue of global warming as a political question, not a scientific or factual one. In other words, the facts and science are irrelevant to Dan, who merely prefers to believe what he believes, without letting any messy facts get in the way of his conclusions. This kind of thinking (if you can call it that) reminds me of our Great Leader Bush -- he didn't let messy facts get in the way of his loudly proclaimed (and subsequently acted upon) assertions that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Hopefully, someday soon, the sickness that clouds the minds of so many will be healed, and they will recover their capacity to THINK.
  • Straw Man posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:37:20 - Reply

    AMB, please research my name.
  • KOOcaCHOO posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:37:19 - Reply

    Basically I am questioning the premise of the global-warming alarmists, namely that this is a problem rather than an opportunity. And besides, I distrust their motives. Many are simply panicky people in need of some form of approaching eschatology. These sad folk afflicted with the “true believer” psychology require something large and threatening to worry about in order to give meaning to their lives. It could be anything — Y2K, Ebola virus, bird flu, overpopulation, technological meltdown — any event, trend, disease, or phenomenon which could, under certain implausible circumstances, lead to the end of the world. People derive meaning from these things by being more in the know about this imminent doom than their ignorant neighbors, to whom they feel measurably superior, and whom they must protect from this looming catastrophe whether they like it or not. Global warming is the latest in an endless line of apocalyptic scenarios that have captured the imaginations of the impressionable.
  • Dan in Richmond posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:30:40 - Reply

    Geophysicist, are you actually amused? Are you actually a geophysicist for that matter? My mother has always said that a lady doesn't have to tell people that she's a lady.

    It is my belief that an actual geophysicist would not have to stand behind the same rhetoric ("overwhelming consensus," "right-wing nut job," "well established facts"). You could, instead, prove that you are an earth scientist by providing some facts. Since it has been established through the Petition Project that "Overwhelming consensus" is *absurd,* please bring something else to the table. 31,xxx scientists, over 9,xxx with their doctorates. "Overwhelming" seems a little silly now, doesn't it.

    You are the scientist. Enlighten me so that I don't think you are simply a liberal getting your "science" from the Day After Tomorrow and Gore's movie.

    Postscript: Oh and landowners, Godspeed.
  • Kevin posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:21:16 - Reply

    "Greenpeace didn't create the rise in ocean levels - irresponsible use of fossil fuels did.If you're gonna sue anyone, sue the coal and oil companies."

    Seas have been rising for thousands of years. Please share with us which coal and oil companies were around a few thousand years ago, and I'll get right on drafting the lawsuit. Until then, have another sip of Algore's crazy juice.
  • Ratt posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:19:21 - Reply

    Seems some folks out here are not old enuf to remember back to 1970 when the Scientists claimed Global Cooling.
    ,
  • Geophysicist posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:17:51 - Reply

    I am amused when people attempt to politicize what are fundamentally well established facts and scientific phenomena (i.e., global WARMING). Whether Rush Limbaugh likes it or not, the planet is warming, and it is warming because of human activity (e.g., fossil fuel emissions, etc.). This rather simple conclusion -- which is based on the work of thousands of mainstream scientists conducted over decades, and which is supported overwhelmingly by the scientific community -- is a FACT, and therefore will not change just because loud-mouth ignoramuses like Bill O'Reilly, Dick Cheney or the leadership of "Focus on the Family" scream to the contrary. Words issuing from the mouths of uninformed right-wing nut jobs will prove no match for the facts which are presently unfolding right before our very eyes: Sea levels are rising TODAY -- you can bank on it.
  • ster posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:17:29 - Reply

    If Greenpeace manipulated facts - and it caused damage... then they should be held accountable.

    Anybody else... or any other company or entity would be, why not them? Nobody is ablve the law.

    If they are presenting guesses and 'estimates' as facts... bingo... toast.

    Then again, I wouldn't trust our courts.
  • Chris - Alaska posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:17:06 - Reply

    Lets see, if it finally posts my full comments.

    Here is a very SIMPLE experiment, that even my 3 y/o Grandkid can do.

    Take some ice cubes put them in a glass.
    Then fill up the glass with hot water.
    Does the glass overfill, when the ice melts??

    THE ANSWER IS NO!!

    I guess my Grandkid is SMARTER than ALL BORE (oops, Al Gore)
  • Chris - Alaska posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:14:12 - Reply

    Here is a very SIMPLE experiment, that even my 3 y/o Grandkid can do.

    Take some ice cubes put them in a glass.
    Then fill up the glass with hot water.
    Does the glass overfill, when the ice melts??

    THE ANSWER IS NO!!

    I guess my Grandkid is SMARTER than ALL BORE (oops, Al Gore)
  • DOK posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 21:10:41 - Reply

    I don't agree with Greenpeace projects or methods in most cases but I fail to see where their (Greenpeace) pictures should be financially demeaning to property owners. Greenpeace is just parroting Albert Arnold Gore and his widely acclaimed "global warming and climate change" screamings. Give the world a break, Al is the "toast of Hollywood" and everyone knows that Hollywood is the mega center for intelligence in the world.
  • Sigmond posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:59:01 - Reply

    There is nothing more arrogant than liberals claiming they are right about global warming and anyone with a different view must be wrong. After reading comments of AMB, I would say AMB is an excellent example of such arrogance.
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:58:53 - Reply

    'Not as dumb as AMB' - Well, I do believe in 'Mother Earth' and that she saved up the oil just for us to put back to then re-create paradise by increasing CO2 back to where it was when 'modern' plants first evolved .. ~4000 ppm. Most of it came from the air - we're just putting it back where it belongs to green the planet.
  • LL in La posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:57:35 - Reply

    I was about to laugh this article off as more whining until I realized Greenpeace and Gore were the "targets" of the suit. Now I want to send a contribution to get the lawsuit started asap!
  • Chris - Alaska posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:54:31 - Reply

    Here is a very SIMPLE experiment, that even my 3 y/o Grandkid can do.

    Take some ice cubes put them in a glass.
    Then fill up the glass with hot water.

    Does the glass overfill, when the ice melts??

    THE ANSWER IS NO!!

    I guess my Grandkid is SMARTER than ALL BORE (oops, Al Gore)
  • Not at Dumb as AMB posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:44:09 - Reply

    Oh, and AMB??? (Since you live to anonymously comment to others as your personal form of screaming into the darkness).

    You need to get your story straight about 'global warming'. Wetter colder winters and drier hotter summers? Actually, that is at odds with your own 'science'. If you studied the matter beyond what your read in Rolling Stone, you would know that the first predictions about the end of the world know as 'global warming' predicted that winters would end entirely. ENTIRELY!!!! How is that for a prediction which was going to be proved wrong every single year until the end of time?? Did you think that THIS year we had 'no winter' like they predicted? Or are we now supposed to believe that the original predictions weren't the ones we are supposed to rely upon but the ones but 20 years ago were right.

    But the ones from 10 years ago predicted that we would have rising sea levels by the 'end of the century'. Of course, you probably already know that we haven't had any significant sea level changes unless you want to claim that 2 cm is 'significant' over a 100 yr period. So, maybe we should rely on the statements made only 2 years ago by your Lord and Saviour Al Gore. So.....we should already be seeing an irreversible loss of the Artic region and well on our way to a 20 FEET (nearly 7 metres for your Europeans, which AMB is not) rise in Atlantic ocean levels and a complete flooding of Florida up to 350 miles inland and a submergence of the island of Manhattan. Okey dokey.

    AGM, would you be willing to bet that ten years from now that there is no progress whatsoever towards the flooding of Florida and Manhattan? And would you be willing to bet whatever worldly goods you've accumulated thus far in life? Would you? Cuz I'd be perfectly happy to own everything you have.

    Not a single nutbag predicting the evil God of Global Warming is willing to put anything on the line. They won't put up money. They won't put up their reputations. They won't commit or sacrifice anything at all. They don't believe their own horsesh!t enough to lose a single Rolls Royce on the alter of their false God. They simple want to make everybody else in the entire World fear capitalism. And they want to be the same kind of demogogues which existed in the ancient Aztec societies when human sacrifices were needed to keep the sun from leaving the sky or the rain from leaving the forest and killing the crops. False 'scientists' have always been around but only the dimwitted and fatalistic types have ever sold their homes and worldly goods and awaited the rapture of 'nature'.

    If you think 'Mother Earth' was real, then why wouldn't she just kill all of us if we were really going to destroy Her??? Idiots.
  • Maninthemaze posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:42:11 - Reply

    Oh look the R/D party has released another scare add about -fill in the blank- , guess they better get sued for the losses in proffits! .....huh they weren't ...go figure.

    Seems Greenpeace is being pigionholed into paying speculators IMO since very few other political groups get sued when they distribute harmful adds.

    P.S. What's with all the double posts from conservatives and Enviro-haters at the top of this comments section?
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:31:16 - Reply

    AMB, you think I'm a liar? Consensus THIS! - tinyurl (dot) com (slash) 5p5o8h
  • Ratt posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:30:26 - Reply


    You Pro-AGW cats seem pretty smart, why are the Ice Caps on Mars melting ?
  • ageconomist posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:29:02 - Reply

    "Greenpeace says the book is a graphic portrayal of the conclusions of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which has predicted that global warming will cause sea levels to rise around the world over the coming decades."

    If you actually read the report it predicts most of the dire predictions are likely to occur with the probability of a coin toss. Scientists agree that over 1000's of years sea levels may rise significantly, but only about 19 'CENTIMETERS' in the next 100 years.

    Unfortunately the media and these groups are reading more into this report than what is actually there.
  • Rober' at Greenpeace posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:29:01 - Reply

    How is Greenpeace going to come up with 30M euros?? Are they going to ask their hippie donor base?

    Greenpeace doesn't have to answer to the law!! Greenpeace IS the law! We don't need no stinkin' facts. We are Greenpeace! We've been stopping capitalism for thirty years now and we aren't going to stop because some people lose their home values.
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:25:22 - Reply

    Well Jerry, they already did that in the UK concerning the lies in Al Gore's fictional movie being shown to children and .. Al Gore LOST. So there's some hope ..
  • TJ posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:25:03 - Reply

    Hey, why don't you American expats kiss my a$$?
  • jerry posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:22:59 - Reply

    Its about time Greenpeace pays for its actions....Sue the crap out of the idiots! Bravo for the homeowners! Ouch but that means the case has to go in front of a Judge....hmmmmmmmmmm.
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:20:23 - Reply

    AMB (cont) .. 31,000 scientists, 9000 PHD, 40 members National Science Academy versus your 'thousands of scientists', computer modelers that are being proveen WRONG as global temperatures continue to DECLINE while CO2 continues to RISE.
  • <^>(0_0)<^> posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:19:49 - Reply

    "Global sea change levels for certain climate change senarios are well established, recgonized, and accepted. If Greenpeace wants to say the sea level will rise x feet if this ice shelf melts let them. Further, if they want to say, "hey, your less than x feet above sea level" and show people that if this senario plays out then they will be under water then why in gods name are you suing them????? It takes a chimp to figure out that if land based ice melts then sea levels will rise, and stuff will go underwater. Boo hoo to the people who didnt have the forsight or care to think of this."


    You are freaking halarious!!! Let's continue where you left off dip.

    The ice melts, the sea then rises... THEN the sea's warm in which water vapor rises into the atmosphere and eventually makes it's way back north and begins to come down in precipitation also known as "snow". When that "snow" hardens it's becomes "ice" and thus INCREASES the amount of "ice" on the ground and reduces that amount of water in the oceans. It's called a "cycle". It happens here in "reality".

    And I can see it now... "even you (me) are saying that the sea's will rise"... yes... it's part of the "natural" cycle. People will have to cross that bridge when we get there... but for a few pukes to "claim" it will be gone and to pay now for something that "might" or "might not" happen is absolutely retarded. Would you pay for a new engine when you buy a new car because at some point the original WILL break down? No... you would cross that bridge when you get to it.

    Oh yea... there's also that thing called "flood insurance". Let the markets decide ... not a handful of idiots who want to dictate everything to us. The greedy *cough cough* GREENY people who are just tagging along on emotions will one day understand what we've all been screaming from the get go.
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:18:02 - Reply

    AMB WILL LIKELY NOT RESPOND TO THIS - PETITIONPROJECT dot ORG (
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:14:28 - Reply

    No Z - Scientific modeling that is schlepped around as being scientific fact without any PROOF ought to be sued if it causes damage. See the difference? There's plenty of disclaimers in the main body of the IPPC report - but Gore never mentions them. He's made over $100 million so far on this scam since he left office - he IS accountable.
  • wildbill69 posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:12:29 - Reply

    The UN is a total waste of time and money.
    I've lived on an island in Florida for twenty years and i see no difference in the ocean level now as twenty years ago.
    If you listen to these idiots you would think we'll be under water in the next fifteen minutes.
    I think whatever climate changes that takes place has to do with the sun. If you can't control the sun, you can't control temperature change.
    What about all that money scientists spent on CORE samples and their conclusion that the earth has gone through cycles for several million years. That was before fossil fuels and either those facts are wrong or todays global warming fact are wrong, which is it?
    I second what some people have said about Greenpeace. I wish i was the captain of a ship those morons pull in front of. We might all go to the bottom, but their a--es would get rammed!!!!!
  • AMB posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:11:47 - Reply

    Mike M. -

    Right. The thousands of climate scientists who've been researching this for decades are ALL wrong. Only a handful of people funded by the oil industry are right.

    Evolution is also a hoax, and we never landed on the moon either, right? Ice disappearing from the arctic isn't happening. The melting of Greenland's glaciers is a fiction. Tornadoes in London (!) are perfectly normal.
  • florida guy posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:10:22 - Reply

    99% of all the scientists are wrong so lets cover our eyes and ears and it will go away. Grow up!!!!
  • Z posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:08:42 - Reply

    The larger implications of this suit are what should be kept in mind. So what if Greenpeace lost and the developers won? Scientific modeling showing detrimental effects to any and all real estate no longer published for fear of being sued? Legally backed public ignorance regarding risk and investment? Good luck with that.
  • Ken Campbell posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 20:02:34 - Reply

    I was born and raised within 100 yards of the North sea and along with other children we played on the sea shore on a daily basis.I am now 97 years old and the markers we built to measure the high tides are exactly the same as they were in l911.
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:58:32 - Reply

    AMB- Do you DENY that the average global lower troposphere AND sea temperatures have DECLINED in the last 10 years? Do you DENY that CO2 has continued to increase in that time. Those are two FACTS! You can't avoid them - ZERO correlation. Also, the Vostok ice core samples prove that CO2 has always LAGGED global warming which makes PERFECT scientific sense in terms of animal respiration. You can throw around your ad hominems all day but they won't change scientific FACTS.
  • john posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:54:07 - Reply

    How about nobody is buying "second" houses in Spain because the real estate market has tanked (much the same as in the US). Nice to see Spain has lawyers and foolish land speculators...just like here!
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:52:00 - Reply

    You do have a good point Roger; more people ARE starving in the 3rd world because of AGW hysteria that accelerated Jimma Carter's bio fuel initiative to FORCE us to burn 1/3 of our corn crop in our automobiles instead of it being on the market for hungry people. So, with people dying from this, it is similar to yelling 'fire' in a crowded auditorium. Gore lied - people died.
  • AMB posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:50:57 - Reply

    And here come the Drudgetards.

    I'd normally look forward to seeing these knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing window-lickers proven wrong, but since that's going to involve the suffering of billions of people I can't look forward to that.

    Idiots like Pat Stroud, to pick one at random, look at severe winters where they live and ask how that corresponds to warming. They are so ignorant of the basic science of global warming that they ask idiotic questions like this, while doing nothing to find out the answer.

    Mr. Stroud, if you can pull your head out of your posterior long enough to use Google you'll learn that severe extremes of weather are exactly what is expected from a general warming of the earth's climate. Hotter, drier summers, colder, wetter winters. The atmosphere is being pushed into extremes because too much heat is being trapped in it.

    Put down your Bible, turn off the talk radio, and read a freaking book.
  • Roger posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:44:09 - Reply

    This is a good start. What I would really like to see though is some enterprising state attorney general indict some of these idiots on charges of fraud. Subpoena Mr. Gore's fat *ss into court along with all of his "experts" and put them under oath. Still want to be Gore's "climate change" todie when you could be looking at some time in the slammer?

    Won't happen but it sure would be fun to watch.

  • pat stroud posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:36:02 - Reply

    Karl, Typical all you can do is call people names no facts. You have no argument just emotion to stand on. I live in the Northern part of the USA we had ten feet of snow over normal this year. We Have had a 100 year record snow winter. So wake up the flooding is coming from melting snow in the mountains dummy. Records broken since 1933 1949 1974 1996 1997 now 1008 does that sound like warming?
  • TheChairman posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:32:05 - Reply

    Someone spouted out: "Global sea change levels for certain climate change senarios are well established, recgonized, and accepted."

    Yeah, theories and endless computer models where you tweak parameters to get the 'desired' result are fine.

    But, in the name of science, where is the PROOF! The Earth has been through NUMEROUS CYLCLES of warming and cooling (e.g. at least 7 ICE AGES)... as a matter of fact, the earth warms and cools every 24 hrs! It's called night and day.

    Flooding in the Midwest is nothing new, and the video the 'news' shows on TV is often of man-made lakes. i.e. Some people built their house in a FLOOD PLAIN.

    This lawsuit is a great tactic, perhaps more seaside communities will jump on board and bankrupt Greenpeace, among other ECO-Terrorist groups!
  • Mike M. posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:32:00 - Reply

    To any above who are stupid enough to believe Greenpeace, Al Gore, Maurice Strong, et al - check your thermometers! It has gotten COOLER since 1998 while CO2 has continued to RISE. So much for IPCC computer models that predicted a .3C temperature rise huh? I wonder what their precious 'consensus' has to say now about being WRONG hmmm? Get it through your THICK SKULLS that it is ALL a scam! Sea level has been rising for TEN THOUSAND YEARS! Glaciers have been receding on average for at least 5000 years. Even IF global temperature went up as much as Al the Goracle says, it would take thousands of years more to melt all the existing land ice! FACT - There still is not ONE single physical piece of scientific evidence that suggests humans cause global warming - NONE, ZIP, NADA. There are only computer models written by people who want to retain their jobs to keep studying 'the problem'; employed by the SAME group that gave us the 'food for oil' scam ... the UN who exists by taking YOUR money. Idiots like Oprah Winfrey is throwing her money around scaring people (wecansolveit). She doesn't have a science degree; and neither does Gore. BUT ALL THESE PEOPLE DO: PETITIONPROJECT dot ORG
  • Fecal McStool posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:30:22 - Reply

    I like to talk about stool.
  • bill posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:29:01 - Reply

    i hope they get sued out of existence
  • Karl posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:26:32 - Reply

    It looks like a from to the Drudge Report has mobilized the troglodytes.
  • JEFF posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 19:19:14 - Reply

    Greenpeace can't even tell me what the temp will be tomorrow, so why would anyone believe anything they say?
  • pat Stroud posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:57:21 - Reply

    Greenpeace is a fund raising organization that feeds off the gullibile and ignorant people of the World. Their agenda is to raise money to support themselves in a high fashion. They have their meetings in Hawaii
    live high on the hog and collect money from fools.
  • pat Stroud posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:57:09 - Reply

    Greenpeace is a fund raising organization that feeds off the gullibile and ignorant people of the World. Their agenda is to raise money to support themselves in a high fashion. They have their meetings in Hawaii
    live high on the hog and collect money from fools.
  • James X posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:54:17 - Reply

    The Gore-ites, the Heidi Cullens, and the Earth First alarmists like to exclude all historic data which contravenes there desire for power over the freedom of the unwashed masses.

    They just can't seem to explain the striations of rocks caused by retreating glaciers in pre-historic times.

    WE understand that the reason glacial ice no longer exists in these areas is because NATURAL global warming occurred! There was no Exxon, no evil industrial progress, no CO2 spewing SUV's. Heck, humankind was wearing animal skins, had no looms, and nation states did not exist.

    These crackpots exclude this pre-history from all of their mentally deficient theories.

    They conveniently refuse to incorporate the data that shows Mars is warming!

    Remember when these mental defectives claimed that the snow pack on Kilimanjaro was melting because of global warming? Strange that they refused to discuss the deforestation around the mountain, as being an influencing factor which would change the local air currents as having an effect.

    I believe the human impact being the cause of global warming, is insignificant compared to the engine of nature, which is verified though the geologic data.

    This does not mean that we should be reckless with our progress.

  • Brandon posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:47:29 - Reply

    1. Global temperatures have been declining since 1998

    2. Sea temperatures have not increased at all since we began viewing and recording data from satellite.. OVer a twenty-five year track.

    3. There are 186,000,000,000 carbon molecules in the atmosphere... only 6 billion are man made..

    4. Does anyone else find it funny that the surfaces of planets MArs as well as Jupiter had been riseing as ours had...

    These Greenpeace jerks want to put us back to the stone age... They don't care what kind of damage they have to do to accomplish what they desire..

    They are anti-business and against any forward progress. I hope the spanish court hits them hard, and sends a message to these fabricating alarmist loons!!!!!!!!!!
  • Benton Bain posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:45:12 - Reply

    "We want to create alarm and a call to action," says Greenpeace's director in Spain.
    Same as someone falsely yelling fire in a full movie theater and several people get crushed to death trying to get out of the theater even if there is no fire.
  • Louis Ruhl posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:28:00 - Reply

    One can hope this case goes to trial then see if Greenpeace's "facts" that prove global warming is man made can stand up to the real science facts that show Earths climate is always in flux between cooling (can we say ice age) and warming (like when Greenland was green).
  • Scott posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:21:01 - Reply

    OK Mr. Gilbraith....Let a large organization (with alleged credibility say that your entire neighborhood sits over a sink hole. Said sink hole will collapse in 10 years and GOBBLE up every property in your neighborhood. Now, all the property values in your neighborhood sink precipitously. You pissed now?

    I have a better idea...If Greenpeace is SO confident that this place is going to be underwater then front some money and bet on it. Its only fair. Loser pays. I'd be willing to bet that those Birkenstock wearing pinheads haven't the balls to put their money wear their mouth is. I'm tired of all of these boneheads screwing up my life. Gas is gonna be $10 per gallon before people finally realize that Greenpeace and all the rest of these clowns are anti-capitalists of the first order and that is all they will ever be.
  • Andrew posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:18:09 - Reply

    Hey Ugly American - You need to just go ahead and change your name to Idiot American. Global warming happened on other planets at the same time it did here, can you say sunshine!?!?! Global cooling has been going on for the last 8 years, can you say dumb, dumb, dumb?!?! The earth spills more oil and adds trillions more tons of CO2 into the atmosphere than we humans could ever possibly match, and has been adding and recycling CO2 for billions of years - its pretty good at its job. I would recommend taking a lesson in common sense and learning how to distinguish between political rhetoric and actual science. Best of luck - you have a long way to go!
  • Computer Engineer posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:15:56 - Reply

    I highly doubt the person who posted above me is an environmental engineer considering he/she doesn't know how to use the words "you're" and "your."
  • Shadow posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:14:51 - Reply

    Hooray! Greenpeace, once a wonderful organization, has lost its way. Presently in the USA houses are floating down the Cedar River in Iowa, dams are bursting, and Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin are all under water to some degree. Reason? It's called RAIN, very heavy rain. These States are located smack dab in the MIDDLE of the USA, no oceans or seas in sight.

    And to the person who made the remark about coal and oil, coal to oil is the program that will save this country. It can't run forever on the political and liberal hot air!
  • Shadow posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:14:43 - Reply

    Hooray! Greenpeace, once a wonderful organization, has lost its way. Presently in the USA houses are floating down the Cedar River in Iowa, dams are bursting, and Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin are all under water to some degree. Reason? It's called RAIN, very heavy rain. These States are located smack dab in the MIDDLE of the USA, no oceans or seas in sight.

    And to the person who made the remark about coal and oil, coal to oil is the program that will save this country. It can't run forever on the political and liberal hot air!
  • Steph posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:10:38 - Reply

    If Greenpeace can publish propaganda on a theory and get away with it, it's also possible to theorize that they had something to do with falling property values. I hope they are handsomely rewarded.

    Scare tactics do get people's attention but if you can't take it, don't dish it out. There are consequenses for your actions.
  • Ugly American posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:06:39 - Reply

    Crazy.

    Greenpeace didn't create the rise in ocean levels - irresponsible use of fossil fuels did.

    If you're gonna sue anyone, sue the coal and oil companies.
  • N Gilbraith, Environmental Engineer posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 18:04:40 - Reply

    Global sea change levels for certain climate change senarios are well established, recgonized, and accepted. If Greenpeace wants to say the sea level will rise x feet if this ice shelf melts let them. Further, if they want to say, "hey, your less than x feet above sea level" and show people that if this senario plays out then they will be under water then why in gods name are you suing them????? It takes a chimp to figure out that if land based ice melts then sea levels will rise, and stuff will go underwater. Boo hoo to the people who didnt have the forsight or care to think of this.
  • P.D. Moriconi posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 17:54:02 - Reply

    Greenpeace uses shock ads to get their points accross so they should be liable when their ads affect the markets negatively. They may not have been the whole cause but they identified a possible scenario and advertised it as a plausible likely scenario which caused an alarm in the local market; therefore, they are partially liable for the declining market and losses of the local investors.
  • Rick posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 17:48:48 - Reply

    The smart play here would be for realists to buy up all this property at these "distressed" prices from the fools who believe in what Greenpeace has to say.

    Then, for years to come, these smart investors would profit from renting to those who would come to realize, too late, that they were hoodwinked out of their expensive, desirable, seaside property.
  • Farmer Bill posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 17:05:37 - Reply

    Greenpeace, Al Gore and the rest of the earthfirst type crowd are terrorists in the true sense of the word. They spread fear and doubt for profit, power and political gain.
    Sue them until they are broke and then execute them publically.
  • Farmer Bill posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 17:05:34 - Reply

    Greenpeace, Al Gore and the rest of the earthfirst type crowd are terrorists in the true sense of the word. They spread fear and doubt for profit, power and political gain.
    Sue them until they are broke and then execute them publically.
  • pj posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 16:06:51 - Reply

    GOOD! About time someone held them to account for their guilt/absolution scam.
  • pj posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 16:06:50 - Reply

    GOOD! About time someone held them to account for their guilt/absolution scam.
  • T.H. Almond posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 15:52:44 - Reply

    I hope they sue Greenpeace back into the dark ages, where they belong. Climate alarmists like Greenpeace and Al Gore are non-scientists and socialists to the core. Climate change is a fact. Manmade global warming is a FARCE. The earth has cooled and warmed many times as proven in hundreds of millions of years in the geologic record. The carbon dioxide "theory" of warming is wrong for numerous scientific reasons, some of which include--alarmists cannot explain how 38 molecules of carbon in 100,000 molecules of atmosphere cause warming. Nor can they explain the ~eight hundred year lag in elevated CO2 that occurrs AFTER a warming cycle. The curves do not track as Gore claims in his Hollywood fantasy movie. The scientific fact is that the warming cycle matches the cycles of irradiance of the SUN. Go figure. Hold on to your wallet because Global Warming (now called climate change) is the new socialism--cleverly designed to redistribute your wealth.

    T.H. Almond, Geologist
    Jamaica Beach , Texas
  • Truth Seeker posted:

    on 12th June 2008, 15:37:48 - Reply

    I think it is high time the Greenpeace and other environmental terrorist groups are held responsible for their actions. Greenpeace slanders and manipulates people into accepting their ridiculous agenda and yet cannot accept it in return. I hope these developers win.