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Seminars on how to seduce women offered (and well needed) for men A report from the Real Man Conference at a two-day international convention in Amsterdam on the art of seducing women.

Men, not women, are to blame that young adults remain bachelors against their will. Women aren't perfect, but men have no idea how to treat women.

Men are all too often rude and selfish - yet that only hides the fact that they are actually very insecure and have no idea what love and sex are really about.

This was the message from most dating coaches at the Real Man Conference at a two-day international convention in Amsterdam on the art of seducing women.

Many of the 430 participants agreed with the coaches: not women but men have a problem, and it's time they improved themselves.

A substantial number of the participants had come from countries around Europe - Denmark, Germany and Norway - to improve their dating skills.

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"We came with a group of 15 Danes from Copenhagen with a special bus," one of the participants told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa.

"The conference is fantastic. Most coaching sessions are very useful."

Minutes earlier, Australian dating coach Grant Wellington had explained to his audience that many men suffer from approach anxiety, the fear of what might happen if they start a conversation with a woman.

"The key solution is to transform the approach anxiety into approach energy," Wellington said.

The audience applauded loudly.

"I also suffer from approach anxiety," the young Dane said. "It happens a lot to me. But now I know that I should look at it from a different angle. The butterflies in my stomach are not a negative but a positive sign. It's not anxiety; it's energy."

The Danish group consisted of men in their early 20s - all of them fairly good looking.

"There is nothing wrong with us," his friend, also from Copenhagen, hastened to point out when asked why he came to this conference in Amsterdam. "We just want to improve our skills with the women."

Among men over age 35, many do confess that they have problems that are usually not confined to their love lives.

"My being here is the result of a long journey back to normalcy," said a Dutch man, aged 37.
"My life was in ruins for years. I had problems at work, my relationship had failed, I had problems with my father, I had a drinking problem, and I smoked too much. I alienated myself from my family and friends. I became very lonely. I neglected myself.

"Last year, thanks to a friend, I was able to turn things around. He took me to a sports class twice per week, and one thing led to another. Step by step, my life changed. I gave up my bad habits, and now I am trying to regain control over my life."

"I came here to make sure I will not make the same mistakes with a woman I made once before. I want a different life."

Many of the men in their 30s and 40s take the conference very seriously: they take notes, page after page, highlighting certain sentences with fluorescent yellow pens.

But not everyone is equally satisfied with the coaching classes.

"The coaches give a lot of philosophical talks, but they do not provide enough concrete advice," 42-year-old Paul from Rotterdam said.

"The only coaches who give some real tips are those who want to help people become womanizers who sleep in a different bed every night. I don't want that. I just want to get a long-term relationship. I work long hours, I do not like bars and dancing, so I want to know where I can find that special person and how I would approach her. But that's not something I learned here, so far."
However, most of the participants were very positive about the speakers.

After each lecture, the participants were asked to vote about the coach - did they like the performance, did the coach give good advice - and the results of the poll were displayed to the audience on a screen.

On Sunday, more than a third of the audience graded most successive speakers as "superb," with just a very small fraction being negative and the remainder being positive or neutral.

How will the participants implement the lessons they learned in daily life after this conference?

"You just need to start immediately when this conference finishes," says Peter, 33, of Amsterdam. "Just approach the first woman you fancy, and apply the lessons you learned." 

Rachel Levy / Expatica



7 reactions to this article

historytechdoc posted: 2008-09-24 12:28:33

"Men, not women, are to blame that young adults remain bachelors against their will. Women aren't perfect, but men have no idea how to treat women."

"Men are all too often rude and selfish - yet that only hides the fact that they are actually very insecure and have no idea what love and sex are really about."

This issue is far too complex to be subject to such all encompassing generalizations and stereotypes. The "against their will" is particularly inaccurate, since this kind of language is usually associated with 'unwanted intimacies' on the part of men. According to this author men are somehow now guilty of not making advances towards women! Both versions can not be correct.

Women as well as men are free to propose marriage, so it is very difficult to understand how men are required to propose marriage 'against their (men's) will and still live in a so-called 'Free' society.

How does the implied requirement of forced proposals apply to same-sex relationships? Should men also be required to propose marriage to other men, even if that is not their personal orientation? If not, then the author's critique might be seen as 'discriminatory' and dissing such relationships.

Finally, there is no statistically evidence offered here that provides any idea as to which women or men (by age group, perhaps) are actually seeking marriage, nor how narrowly they define the type of individual that they would be willing to marry. If men in general think they deserve a 'Barbie' and women in general think that they should have a 'Ken', then it should be little wonder that the chemistry of love does not have much of a chance in bringing two hearts together.

This blog belongs better to an op-ed column or Expatica's 'Discussion' section--not as an article.

tony posted: 2008-09-24 17:18:48

also groups like the spice girls, created by men, to turn women against men are to blame, no sex education for boys, just girls, how are boys supposed to know anything, feminists, job quotas favour women,

skunkpussy posted: 2008-09-24 23:16:33

Women? I dunno, how can you trust something that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die?

Patrick posted: 2008-09-25 11:21:37

Blame. Blame. Blame... will we ever tire of the blame game?

What an utterly pathetic article. You know who is responsible for extended bachelorhood?

A short list:

First and foremost, Society. Not men, not women. Society and the role of marriage, child rearing and relationships are also changing.

Second, marketing, advertising and consumerism for propagating the idea that we exist in some sort of opposition. The stereotypical bash the out of shape husband and the shrew like wife formula being revisited over and over in shows, commercials, advertising and most print media...

These coaches are the same as the self help gurus of the seventies and eighties, fleecing those lacking in confidence and not telling them a thing they didn't already know.

Thanks Expatica, for lending a patina of legitimacy to the same old snake oil salesman that have haunted society since commerce and trade were created.

"There's a sucker born every minute" - credited to P.T. Barnum (1810 – 1891)


Stella posted: 2008-10-01 16:43:14

One of the men I dated for a brief period was a chain smoking alcoholic journalist and a serial womanizer. He was attractive, but just drank too much. When I told him he didn't know how to treat women, he went into shock. He was really rude and I ended the relationship which was on a rebound anyway. I know he is still a bachelor at the age of 47.

Neil Warner posted: 2009-08-26 15:17:03

In my experience researching relationships, there are a lot of ways in which men are unskilled in understanding the other side....this is the root issue. What is worst, is that they resort to cover up of their insecurities by dominating women and controlling them. This doesn't avoid women realizing their insecurities, and only adds another layer of contempt. Now she thinks: OK, I can deal with his insecurity, but when he yells at me to show that he is "the man in control" then I only can have pity of him...
Not a pretty sight. Read more here:
http://creativeconflicts.com/2009/07/emotional-abuse-hoping-to-have-a-healthier-marriage/

http://creativeconflicts.com/2009/07/emotional-abuse-hoping-to-have-a-healthier-marriage/

1 star article posted: 2010-05-13 00:45:20

"Women aren't perfect but men have no idea how to treat a woman"

And you do? You sound like a married man whose wife made him write that (haha loser!) or a woman who..like almost all of them don't know what you want. If you don't know what you want in life..how are we supposed to know how to "treat you"? If you tried to tell me it's my fault as a man that I am a bachelor so I will change my personality to suit some woman then my friend, you failed beyond imagination. I enjoy the bachelor lifestyle and at only 22 years old, will till the day I die. There is nothing men (or women) like yourself can do to guilt trip me otherwise. I've weighed all the pros and cons and believe me, there is no benefit whatsoever for a man to be married in today's society. The end.

7 reactions to this article

historytechdoc posted: 2008-09-24 12:28:33

"Men, not women, are to blame that young adults remain bachelors against their will. Women aren't perfect, but men have no idea how to treat women."

"Men are all too often rude and selfish - yet that only hides the fact that they are actually very insecure and have no idea what love and sex are really about."

This issue is far too complex to be subject to such all encompassing generalizations and stereotypes. The "against their will" is particularly inaccurate, since this kind of language is usually associated with 'unwanted intimacies' on the part of men. According to this author men are somehow now guilty of not making advances towards women! Both versions can not be correct.

Women as well as men are free to propose marriage, so it is very difficult to understand how men are required to propose marriage 'against their (men's) will and still live in a so-called 'Free' society.

How does the implied requirement of forced proposals apply to same-sex relationships? Should men also be required to propose marriage to other men, even if that is not their personal orientation? If not, then the author's critique might be seen as 'discriminatory' and dissing such relationships.

Finally, there is no statistically evidence offered here that provides any idea as to which women or men (by age group, perhaps) are actually seeking marriage, nor how narrowly they define the type of individual that they would be willing to marry. If men in general think they deserve a 'Barbie' and women in general think that they should have a 'Ken', then it should be little wonder that the chemistry of love does not have much of a chance in bringing two hearts together.

This blog belongs better to an op-ed column or Expatica's 'Discussion' section--not as an article.

tony posted: 2008-09-24 17:18:48

also groups like the spice girls, created by men, to turn women against men are to blame, no sex education for boys, just girls, how are boys supposed to know anything, feminists, job quotas favour women,

skunkpussy posted: 2008-09-24 23:16:33

Women? I dunno, how can you trust something that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die?

Patrick posted: 2008-09-25 11:21:37

Blame. Blame. Blame... will we ever tire of the blame game?

What an utterly pathetic article. You know who is responsible for extended bachelorhood?

A short list:

First and foremost, Society. Not men, not women. Society and the role of marriage, child rearing and relationships are also changing.

Second, marketing, advertising and consumerism for propagating the idea that we exist in some sort of opposition. The stereotypical bash the out of shape husband and the shrew like wife formula being revisited over and over in shows, commercials, advertising and most print media...

These coaches are the same as the self help gurus of the seventies and eighties, fleecing those lacking in confidence and not telling them a thing they didn't already know.

Thanks Expatica, for lending a patina of legitimacy to the same old snake oil salesman that have haunted society since commerce and trade were created.

"There's a sucker born every minute" - credited to P.T. Barnum (1810 – 1891)


Stella posted: 2008-10-01 16:43:14

One of the men I dated for a brief period was a chain smoking alcoholic journalist and a serial womanizer. He was attractive, but just drank too much. When I told him he didn't know how to treat women, he went into shock. He was really rude and I ended the relationship which was on a rebound anyway. I know he is still a bachelor at the age of 47.

Neil Warner posted: 2009-08-26 15:17:03

In my experience researching relationships, there are a lot of ways in which men are unskilled in understanding the other side....this is the root issue. What is worst, is that they resort to cover up of their insecurities by dominating women and controlling them. This doesn't avoid women realizing their insecurities, and only adds another layer of contempt. Now she thinks: OK, I can deal with his insecurity, but when he yells at me to show that he is "the man in control" then I only can have pity of him...
Not a pretty sight. Read more here:
http://creativeconflicts.com/2009/07/emotional-abuse-hoping-to-have-a-healthier-marriage/

http://creativeconflicts.com/2009/07/emotional-abuse-hoping-to-have-a-healthier-marriage/

1 star article posted: 2010-05-13 00:45:20

"Women aren't perfect but men have no idea how to treat a woman"

And you do? You sound like a married man whose wife made him write that (haha loser!) or a woman who..like almost all of them don't know what you want. If you don't know what you want in life..how are we supposed to know how to "treat you"? If you tried to tell me it's my fault as a man that I am a bachelor so I will change my personality to suit some woman then my friend, you failed beyond imagination. I enjoy the bachelor lifestyle and at only 22 years old, will till the day I die. There is nothing men (or women) like yourself can do to guilt trip me otherwise. I've weighed all the pros and cons and believe me, there is no benefit whatsoever for a man to be married in today's society. The end.

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